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re: H1b Visas do not take jobs away from Americans - *DISREGARD I AM WRONG*
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:19 pm to geauxEdO
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:19 pm to geauxEdO
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geauxEdO
You might find this an interesting read.
LINK
This isn't just happening to FedEx and Collierville. This is going on nationwide, and it's not organic.
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Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:19 pm to stout
Sounds like the abuse is the problem. Does that mean we should scrap the whole program? Where is the data that suggests Americans are struggling?
Willing to hear the argument.
Willing to hear the argument.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:20 pm to stout
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The OP has made more posts today defending H1Bs than he has averaged a year for the past 8 years
SDVTiger's alter?
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:21 pm to geauxEdO
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Sounds like the abuse is the problem. Does that mean we should scrap the whole program?
I dont trust anyone in the government to fix this issue without the tech overlord/wall street CEO kick backs and under the table deals; therefore, yes, scrap it.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:21 pm to tiggerthetooth
“… cool and as hard working.”
Agree, this is also most “internet libertarians”. They think they are just smarter than the competition and use their current status as their evidence of such superiority (Much like Egyptian pharaohs proof of divinity). It’s just bad confirmation bias
As for the ROI, it’s true. There is a much less return to be skilled labor when the skilled labor wage is reduced in a worldwide market
There may be truth to the statement that there is specialized skill needed for some new factories that have just domesticated. That is, it may take a while to train US workers on those specialized skills. But that is what L1 visas are for. They are temporary and when the time is up— you have to go back
Agree, this is also most “internet libertarians”. They think they are just smarter than the competition and use their current status as their evidence of such superiority (Much like Egyptian pharaohs proof of divinity). It’s just bad confirmation bias
As for the ROI, it’s true. There is a much less return to be skilled labor when the skilled labor wage is reduced in a worldwide market
There may be truth to the statement that there is specialized skill needed for some new factories that have just domesticated. That is, it may take a while to train US workers on those specialized skills. But that is what L1 visas are for. They are temporary and when the time is up— you have to go back
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:21 pm to geauxEdO
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Does that mean we should scrap the whole program?
Yes
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:22 pm to geauxEdO
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Where is the data that suggests Americans are struggling?
look around, player.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:23 pm to stout
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He might be a jeet defending being here
+1
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:26 pm to geauxEdO
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I’d love to not need H1b visas at all. But unfortunately we’re not there as a country yet.
So the LA Times story revealing that California Edison and Disney forced American employees to train their H1B replacements, as part of their severance packet, wasnt true?
The LA Times should have been sued
And yet they werent. I wonder why?
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:30 pm to geauxEdO
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Does that mean we should scrap the whole program? Where
The whole program isn’t being scrapped. Just like unpopular entitlement programs are being scrapped. SIGNIFICANT reform is needed. Also, there are other VISA programs to handle short term needs. We don’t need immigrant visas for jobs that US citizens can fill
You allege you work in an office with many H1Bs? Are you going to allege that no US persons could fill those jobs? Or that no US persons can fill those jobs at the rate your employer wants to charge based on a survey of worldwide labor rates?
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Where is the data that suggests Americans are struggling?
Totally immaterial. The issue is whether persons are depressing US wages by improperly gaming the immigration system. The secondary issue is whether we should have a different system that better protects American workers
Nevertheless, if you haven’t seen threads and news on struggles based on wage growth and inflation, you aren’t looking. At some point wage growth would need to match inflation, but not if the pressure is relieved by letting companies just import the labor
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:33 pm to RobbBobb
hand up, I wasn’t aware of how rampant the abuse is. I concede that it’s a flawed program.
And no, i’m not a Jeet, but those comments crack me up lol
And no, i’m not a Jeet, but those comments crack me up lol
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:34 pm to Bunk Moreland
The tech industry is a dying industry because of AI and outsourcing not because of the H1B program. Will you be sky screaming because of coal miners next? We do need more American engineers but that takes time and apparently math is real hard for American youth
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:35 pm to geauxEdO
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by law, companies are required to recruit Americans before hiring H1b visas.
If the H1b visa process is anything like the H2A visa process then it is fairly easy for companies to get around the recruiting American requirements. For example the H2A visa process requires for companies to recruit Americans. One of the agencies my family’s farm used to use would advertise the job opening in local media. However the definition of local media is kinda loose. That particular agency would run help wanted ads in the newspaper of Jackson Ms, Little Rock, and Shreveport. The ads were tiny and nobody looking for a job in any of those cities would be interested in a farm hand job in the middle of nowhere NELA and the recruiting company knew that. Technically they were following the rules but they were not really recruiting Americans. They were just checking a box on the required paperwork.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:36 pm to Rip Torn
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We do need more American engineers but that takes time and apparently math is real hard for American youth
Get fricked man.
Have you ever had to train one of those people?
The degrees and resumes are mostly fake or highly misleading. (And the contracting companies that hire them dont care)
This post was edited on 11/12/25 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:37 pm to geauxEdO
It's also against the law to hire illegal immigrants in construction, roofing, farming, health care and many other jobs, but we know it happens. In all of these cases, it's taking away jobs from Americans, I think it's sort of naive to think it's not happening in the tech field.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:41 pm to geauxEdO
bullshite, I can tell you on average the Indians I do work with ( the ones that are culturally indian not Canadian born and raised ) are not particularly bright, rude, have issues with being truthful and two faced.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:43 pm to Rip Torn
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The tech industry is a dying industry because of AI and outsourcing not because of the H1B program
Ai is another story. There is always disruptive technology that changes industries. It’s impact can and will be felt in many segments
Outsourcing is a reason why the H1B can’t exist as a loophole. If we incentivize jobs, plants etc in the US. Then it defeats a central purpose if all the the domesticated capital just imports foreign cheap labor also
Even Pre-Trump there was carrot and stick based incentivatives to bring capital back domestically. That’s one of the reasons of the H1B visa abuse. The companies were able to utilize tax incentives to make fixed asset operations even cheaper, but kept labor costs low by abusing the H1B system
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:44 pm to Two0Five
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It's also against the law to hire illegal immigrants in construction, roofing, farming, health care and many other jobs, but we know it happens
precisely, we're being squeezed from both ends now. people my age were told to learn computer and go to college because you won't be able to make a living doing regular shite. now we only want indians doing computer jobs
truly wtf are we supposed to do
This post was edited on 11/12/25 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:46 pm to geauxEdO
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by law, companies are required to recruit Americans before hiring H1b visas
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:46 pm to geauxEdO
On paper that is true….. but corporations game the system and say they have no American applicants and need to import. The issue is they won’t pay the American labor rate and want cheaper imported labor.
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