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re: H. Ross Perot Dead At 89
Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:50 am to Sentrius
Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:50 am to Sentrius
I can't find the direct link but I think it involved this deal at DFW
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Bush's FAA refused to spend a bunch of money there that would have directly benefitted the Perot family's real estate investments there.
Latter after the election both Bush and James Baker said Perot ran because he was pissed off that Reagan called off the searches for MIA in Viet Nam and Reagan sent Bush to tell Perot.
They obviously bumped heads on several occasions. Perot had a big ego.
It would have been interesting to watch him as President.
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Bush's FAA refused to spend a bunch of money there that would have directly benefitted the Perot family's real estate investments there.
Latter after the election both Bush and James Baker said Perot ran because he was pissed off that Reagan called off the searches for MIA in Viet Nam and Reagan sent Bush to tell Perot.
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According to Bush and his former chief of staff James Baker, Perot's beef with Bush stems from a disagreement Perot had with President Ronald Reagan when Bush was Reagan's vice president. Bush agreed to tell Perot that Reagan had no reason to believe that there were Americans left in Vietnam, as Perot had been insisting.
"I think that Ross got pissed off and shot the messenger," says Baker, who also served as Reagan's chief of staff.
Bush echoes Baker's reasoning. "I think he took it very personally," he says, adding that before the incident, the fellow Texans had a warm relationship. "It got ugly and mean and I didn't like it at all."
"He did have an animus towards Bush 41 because of that episode," Baker says, though the two stop short of blaming the ordeal entirely for Perot's run.
"You'd have to ask Ross," Bush says.
They obviously bumped heads on several occasions. Perot had a big ego.
It would have been interesting to watch him as President.
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Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:50 am to Y.A. Tittle
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He was sort of the nuttier version of Trump.
Even Trump concedes that third parties really don't work in America and they never will short of a change to the constitution mandating a parliamentary system.
It's republican or democrat and Trump chose republican.
Source: Trump said this in a documentary about Roger Stone on Netflix.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:51 am to CU_Tigers4life
Good man
Would of been a terrible President
Would of been a terrible President
Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:52 am to Sentrius
You have to overthrow a party...
Bernie nearly did it
Trump succeeded
Bernie nearly did it
Trump succeeded
Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:52 am to Sentrius
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Even Trump concedes that third parties really don't work in America and they never will short of a change to the constitution mandating a parliamentary system.
Yeah, this is of course correct.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:54 am to TOKEN
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Good man
Would of been a terrible President
But you think Obama was a good President.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:57 am to I B Freeman
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Bush's FAA refused to spend a bunch of money there that would have directly benefitted the Perot family's real estate investments there.
So Reagan refused to scratch the moneyman's back and he got pissed.
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Latter after the election both Bush and James Baker said Perot ran because he was pissed off that Reagan called off the searches for MIA in Viet Nam and Reagan sent Bush to tell Perot.
What was his connection to MIA in Vietnam? Why so passionate about it?
Posted on 7/9/19 at 9:59 am to TOKEN
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Trump succeeded
He merely performed a hostile takeover and took the GOP in a different direction, but the structure and reach of the GOP still stands.
Hell, Trump is pretty friendly and cozy with a lot of GOPe types today. Lindsey Graham, Nikki Haley and Mitch McConnell anyone?
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:02 am to CU_Tigers4life
Just looked it up and this is what the breakout looked like
Bill Clinton 43.022%
George Bush 37.460%
Ross Perot 18.912%
Andre V. Marrou 0.279%
James (“Bo”) Gritz 0.103%
Lenora B. Fulani 0.071%
Howard Phillips 0.042%
John Hagelin 0.038%
Ron Daniels 0.027%
Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. 0.025%
James ("Mac") Warren 0.022%
Bill Clinton 43.022%
George Bush 37.460%
Ross Perot 18.912%
Andre V. Marrou 0.279%
James (“Bo”) Gritz 0.103%
Lenora B. Fulani 0.071%
Howard Phillips 0.042%
John Hagelin 0.038%
Ron Daniels 0.027%
Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. 0.025%
James ("Mac") Warren 0.022%
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:04 am to Placebeaux
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No he didnt
State by state, if you took 70% of the votes Perot received and gave them to HW, HW has over 300 EV.
Yeah he influenced the election.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:06 am to CU_Tigers4life
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H. Ross Perot Dead At 89
I probably would've voted for Perot then had I been of age, he was such a political trailblazer in the economic nationalism and pragmatism he advocated for, one could argue he influenced Trump's presidential campaign approach. I mean hell Trump ran for the presidency in Perot's party back in 2000! RIP
This post was edited on 7/9/19 at 10:11 am
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:10 am to ScottFowler
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Why oh why did he jump out of the race, just to get back in at the last minute? Unless to aid Clinton.
Had he not dropped out he would have won in 92. It is a shame. He was the apolitical data driven Executive that could have saved this country.
He was the guy championing entitlement reform (social security and medicare), and longterm solutions to problems that had not yet fully presented themselves.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:10 am to mays
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What states did Perot flip? What states with 10+ EVs did Clinton win that was close? Georgia, Ohio and? He won PA by 9, Michigan by 7.5, Wisconsin by 4.5.
Clinton won 12 states by less than 5%; in each of those states Perot had 18-20% of the vote. Clinton took 68 electoral votes in states that were decided by 3% or less. If all those states votes for Perot were evenly split (Perot probably took more from Bush than Clinton) H.W. takes the election. Heck with those numbers, states like California are still in play. The electoral map was very different back then; it was a different time.
Here’s a link for the state by state breakdown.
State by state breakdown
This post was edited on 7/9/19 at 10:20 am
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:11 am to CU_Tigers4life
His company EDS was also the backdrop for “Office Space.” Mike Judge took his Milton character and dropped him into an EDS setting. I’m eternally grateful for that.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:13 am to RolltidePA
How dare you back your comments up with Facts!
Well Done!
Well Done!
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:14 am to CU_Tigers4life
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He put Bill Clinton in Office.
This has been thoroughly debunked numerous times over the past 25 years or so. Long story short, Perot took roughly as many votes from Clinton as he did Bush and in only two states did Perot conceivably take enough votes from Bush (relative to Clinton) to affect the outcome in that state.
This post was edited on 7/9/19 at 10:16 am
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:16 am to Roger Klarvin
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Long story short, Perot took roughly as many votes from Clinton as he did Bush and in only one state did Perot conceivably take enough votes from Bush to affect the outcome in that state.
I'm not sure what state you're referencing, but no way does Clinton win Louisiana without Perot.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:16 am to Roger Klarvin
Look at RollTidePA's breakdown a few comments up from here and explain....
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:17 am to RolltidePA
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Clinton won 12 states by less than 5%; in each of those states Perot had 18-20% of the vote. If all those states votes for Perot were evenly split (Perot probably took more from Bush than Clinton) H.W. takes the election.
Except that’s not how math works
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:23 am to CU_Tigers4life
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Look at RollTidePA's breakdown a few comments up from here and explain....
He doesn’t seem to understand percentages and relative mathematical data.
Bush would have needed a minimum of 79% of the votes Perot received nationally to take the election, and that’s assuming an ideal distribution across the right states. No estimate for the Perot vote redistribution has ever been higher than about 65/35 for Bush, and in reality probably around 15-20% of those who voted for Perot wouldn’t have voted for either Bush or Clinton.
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