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Group of 6 considering taxing 401k plans
Posted on 9/4/17 at 10:31 am
Posted on 9/4/17 at 10:31 am
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There is broad consensus, according to five sources familiar with the behind-the-scenes talks, on some of the best ways to pay for cutting both the individual and corporate tax rates.
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Among the decisions that the White House, Treasury and congressional leaders have settled on is that any tax proposal will require U.S. companies to bring back earnings from overseas at a one-time low tax rate, a favorite proposal of the business community known as repatriation.
The corporate rate will likely fall to somewhere between 22 percent and 25 percent, depending on which deductions or breaks lawmakers are willing to scale back or eliminate — an exercise that usually brings out the special interest groups in full force and has always made any tax tweaks hard. No one familiar with the process said the corporate rate can realistically dip below 20 percent, without some new tax in place. The president has said that he prefers a rate of 15 percent.
In addition to the revenue raisers such as eliminating the deduction for state and local taxes — a benefit that disproportionately hits taxpayers in high-cost states like California, New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts — the tax negotiators are scouring former Republican Rep. Dave Camp’s 2014 tax plan for other ideas.
One idea quietly being discussed would be taxing the money that workers place into their 401(k) savings plans up front: an idea that would raise billions of dollars in the short-term and is pulled from the Camp plan. This policy idea is widely disliked by budget hawks, who consider it a gimmick; the financial services industry that handles retirement savings; and nonprofits that try to encourage Americans to save.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 10:34 am to Iosh
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One idea quietly being discussed would be taxing the money that workers place into their 401(k) savings plans up front:
Hahaha, just no.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 10:34 am to Iosh
Well, that's a stupid fricking idea.
And I love not being able to deduct state taxes - nothing like double taxation.
And I love not being able to deduct state taxes - nothing like double taxation.
This post was edited on 9/4/17 at 10:39 am
Posted on 9/4/17 at 10:37 am to udtiger
If they're mining Camp's 2014 plan for ideas that's a bad sign, that plan was dogshit. It actually made the system more complex and taxed a bunch of stuff currently excluded from AGI that's gonna hit the middle class, including the self-employment health deduction and municipal bonds.
This post was edited on 9/4/17 at 10:37 am
Posted on 9/4/17 at 10:39 am to Iosh
It's so obvious that any 401(k) worth over a few million dollars will be raided by the time we retire which is why I haven't been maxing or coming close to maxing for several years now.
I'm actually becoming more and more resigned to the fact that I will die in a civil war against my government.
I'm actually becoming more and more resigned to the fact that I will die in a civil war against my government.
This post was edited on 9/4/17 at 10:40 am
Posted on 9/4/17 at 10:40 am to Iosh
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would be taxing the money that workers place into their 401(k) savings plans up front:
So would this mean a 401k would be just like a Roth, after tax and gains would be tax free?
Posted on 9/4/17 at 10:42 am to SirWinston
If they do that it is political suicide and the 401k will die too.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 10:42 am to Lsut81
That's how it will be sold. Look at Greece and look at how loud BLM and the left is. Look at how white men are vilified.
There is no scenario in which our 401(k)s won't be raided heavily if they meet a certain threshold in... say.. 2045. Probably sooner.
There is no scenario in which our 401(k)s won't be raided heavily if they meet a certain threshold in... say.. 2045. Probably sooner.
This post was edited on 9/4/17 at 10:44 am
Posted on 9/4/17 at 10:43 am to SirWinston
Means tested 401k probably
Posted on 9/4/17 at 10:44 am to Lsut81
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So would this mean a 401k would be just like a Roth, after tax and gains would be tax free?
I did a Roth account investment several years back. Paid the taxes up front of what I invested with the understanding I'd pay no taxes when I cash in. Now I'm being told I'll still have to pay taxes on what I earn above my investment.
Any one know the true story on this?
Posted on 9/4/17 at 10:44 am to Iosh
Are they trying to cause a march on DC?
Because this is how you cause a march on DC.
Because this is how you cause a march on DC.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 10:45 am to Iosh
Inversions was a key Trump platform. It should have been done on day 1 a 15% one time tax
Posted on 9/4/17 at 10:45 am to Homesick Tiger
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Any one know the true story on this?
No, gains are tax free
ETA: Now if you pull out gains before you can, then you are taxed on them. You can pull out your initial investment at any point without penalty, its the gains that have to wait until the right age.
This post was edited on 9/4/17 at 10:47 am
Posted on 9/4/17 at 10:46 am to upgrayedd
We need this money for more midnight basketball programs
Posted on 9/4/17 at 10:56 am to Iosh
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This policy idea is widely disliked by budget hawks, who consider it a gimmick; the financial services industry that handles retirement savings; and nonprofits that try to encourage Americans to save.
I can't click on the link, so going off of your quote only. I find it interesting that they don't include the savers themselves as those who "widely dislike" this plan.
It's coming folks, might as well just prepare for it. I don't care if it's in a Roth or Traditional 401k and/or IRA. They don't see it as YOUR money. That's not a Dem or Rep judgment, they BOTH see it that way.
It's more class warfare. They don't see the problem as what they spend to keep the poor, poor, it's that they can't keep everyone poor. The intent of the coming storm on seizure of retirement accounts is designed to inhibit savings. Remember, our entire economy is built on consumerism & credit, not wealth building.
Maybe 15 yrs ago I recall doing some research on a paper & recall that Bill Clinton & Robert Reich were pushing a "one-time, 15% tax" on retirement accounts. I can no longer find that info, but the premise is the same. They believe we work for them rather than ourselves.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 10:58 am to Kraut Dawg
Yep. This sort of shite is grounded in the philosophy that all money/wealth is the government's and you should be happy with whatever it lets you keep/have.
This post was edited on 9/4/17 at 10:58 am
Posted on 9/4/17 at 10:58 am to SirWinston
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I'm actually becoming more and more resigned to the fact that I will die in a civil war against my government.
Oh Winston...
Posted on 9/4/17 at 10:59 am to SirWinston
Down with trump, anti gay!
And racists, fascists, 401ks!
And racists, fascists, 401ks!
Posted on 9/4/17 at 11:04 am to NIH
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We need this money for more midnight basketball programs
Silky slim getting back in the mix?
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