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re: Greatest statement from President Nayib Bukele in the Oval Office

Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:32 am to
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:32 am to
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Yes, technically Abrego Garcia was illegally deported to El Salvador, and I'm OK with that."


He wasn't. False premise.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:36 am to
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What’s your brand?


Promoting freedom and less government.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:36 am to
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People need to realize that every country is not like the United States.


You’re black pilled!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:36 am to
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You’re a moral retard.

"Freedom is immoral" is quite the point you're making.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
10132 posts
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:37 am to
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You know what else would be a real time save? If the left would just say “I want and actually like the idea that 3rd world gangbangers can come to our country and rape and murder my fellow citizens. It actually gets me off. Even better is watching our own children die of drug overdoses.”


I'm not on the Left. My views on the Bill of Rights are as conservative as you can get. I'm 100% for stopping illegal aliens from coming to our country. I'm 100% for removing all illegal aliens from our country.

I don't know how I can be more clear. President Trump faces a massive task trying to clean up the dangerous mess made by Biden. His team is off to a great start, but there are bound to be some mistakes made in doing so. It's just crazy-making to watch y'all pretend mistakes haven't been made.

It's a waste of time for me to continue to respond to the juvenile personal attacks...although I'm taking the day off from work....
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:37 am to
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Do you know what “mouthing” means? You’re getting blinded by my personality. Focus on the argument, chap.

You keep changing the argument once you look silly, as is your style.

There is no "mouthing" involve, again, which was part of my point.

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:37 am to
That’s not the point I was making.

Laws do not create ordered societies. This is beyond your ken. I refer you to my previously quoted statement.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:38 am to
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I’m talking about people who believe we need to rewrite the Constitution while caterwauling about Trump.




on brand
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:38 am to
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Two things can be true:

1. What El Salvador is doing is incredible, needed and life changing for 99 percent of the population.
2. You can't do that in the United States.

Correct

Nor should Americans who support our Constitution want this system
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:39 am to
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There is no "mouthing" involve, again, which was part of my point.


Are you saying that every single person screaming about Trump and the Constitution is making a good faith argument? That would be an amazing argument for you to make.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:41 am to
You have lost this one pretty badly. I would pretend to have an important appointment if I were you.

You can come back in a couple hours and this thread won’t be on the first page with the scarlet L on it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:41 am to
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He wasn't. False premise.


Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
21707 posts
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:42 am to
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Nor should Americans who support our Constitution want this system


See, here is the problem. You would have us believe that these are the two options for dealing with lawlessness... it just isn't true.

In my local news, a story popped up about a bank robber... who was out on bail for a PREVIOUS armed bank robbery in 2022.

If the US got real about dealing with crime, in a constitutional manner, we wouldn't even need to be discussing what's going on in El Salvador.

We are weak on crime and it makes our law abiding populace envious of how Bukele cleaned up his shithole.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:43 am to
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Are you saying that every single person screaming about Trump and the Constitution is making a good faith argument?


Another pivot.



Keep doing your schtick of responding to posters' points with grandiosity and then pivoting when scrutinized specifically. Then you can double down on your schtick and tell people they can't read when they point out your pivoting.

It's so you.
This post was edited on 4/21/25 at 8:44 am
Posted by canyon
MM23
Member since Dec 2003
22191 posts
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:44 am to
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Abrego Garcia responds that he is not a member of MS-13, and that he has lived safely in the United States with his family for a decade and has never been charged with a crime.

Well there you go, he says he’s not a gangster. Moving on.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:44 am to
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You have lost this one pretty badly. I would pretend to have an important appointment if I were you.

You can come back in a couple hours and this thread won’t be on the first page with the scarlet L on it.

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:45 am to
You’re 0-2.

You can’t help but post again and strike out.

I’ve only thrown slow curves over the plate in this thread.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
10132 posts
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:45 am to
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He wasn't. False premise.


I know a little about electricity, but I call an electrician to do anything major in my house.

Why do so many of y'all think you know better than ALL of the judges and justices who have reviewed the law and the facts in the Abrego Garcia case? Even Clarence Thomas and all the Trump-appointed Supreme Court justices agree that it was illegal to deport Abrego Garcia to El Salvador.

Ultimately, those same justices will probably rule that nothing can be done now to order the return of Abrego Garcia to the United States. As a practical matter, it doesn't matter because Abrego Garcia could be legally deported very shortly after his return.

Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59463 posts
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:47 am to
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Even Clarence Thomas and all the Trump-appointed Supreme Court justices agree that it was illegal to deport Abrego Garcia to El Salvador.


Improper. It was the fired Trump admin employee that said illegal and the court cited his affidavit. The ruling states the removal was improper.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:48 am to
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You would have us believe that these are the two options for dealing with lawlessness... it just isn't true.

I never said that.

I said our system doesn't permit his authoritarianism and those who support our system should not want his authoritarianism and the rejection of our system.

If you want a different system, that's not a false choice. You just have to admit it's not our system or our current Constitution.

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If the US got real about dealing with crime, in a constitutional manner, we wouldn't even need to be discussing what's going on in El Salvador.

If we got through the living hell of the mid-70s through the mid-90s, then we're fine today (when crime is much lower).

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We are weak on crime and it makes our law abiding populace envious of how Bukele cleaned up his shithole.

We were in "shite hole" status in the 2-decade period I referenced above and made our way out without resorting to Bukele-esque policies. Why would we do them now when things are so much better?
This post was edited on 4/21/25 at 8:50 am
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