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re: Govt Assistance and Minimum Wage
Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:56 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:56 am to RogerTheShrubber
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you think right leaning people are against public assistance.
No I know that right-leaning people are against public assistance. All I have to do is read this board at any given point of the day and see how many people bitching about welfare or food stamps or any of the like. Not to mention all of the "well they did it to themselves" talk.
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Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:57 am to roadGator
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This is just false. Why do you left-wingers have to lie in order to have a conversation? It's not conducive to honest discourse. I know you are just trolling though. All good.
Until you have gone down to your state legislature and personally battled against Republicans an open forum for committees trying to shut down state funded mental health programs because the land is valuable for Developers, then we can talk
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:01 am to ibleedprplngld
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If you'd have read my earlier post, you'd see that you can have it both ways. It's just difficult to do. And I would also point out that right wing people do not hate government assistance, they more so believe it needs to be in the correct circumstances and used to actually benefit society, not just be a free meal ticket.
Well therein lies the problem. What you believe qualifies as the Need For assistance might not mean anything to someone who actually needs assistance. If you want to open up that conversation we can get specific.
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There is nothing in your argument that is common sense. You HAVE to examine the economics of the situation to truly understand why minimum wage is a bad policy and you have to understand the economics to understand why prolonged government assistance is a bad.
So in one hand you're saying that you don't believe government citizens as bad as long as it meets your specific criteria while you're also saying that prolonged government assistance is bad. I don't necessarily disagree with you but I need to understand what you're saying within the confines of Economics since you know so much more about it.
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Not being able (or trying) to put your argument into the context of the economics DOES discredit your argument being as it is an economic issue.
So tell me why minimum wage goes up to meet the cost of living and is constantly voted on and raised
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:02 am to TexasTiger86
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Conservatives don’t believe that there should be no public assistance because there are a lot of times where it is absolutely needed. However, we don’t want to KEEP people on public assistance. We want to provide an atmosphere where those people can eventually get a job and begin to earn enough money to provide for themselves.
Are you don't think minimum wage being raised can help that become a reality?
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:02 am to Ebbandflow
Why do I feel so retarded when I read threads like this on the poli board?
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:02 am to AbuTheMonkey
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Unfortunately for you, some of us do have significant post-grad work in the field and deal with this shite everyday.
Then please explain how raising minimum wage at all is such a bad idea. Simply saying that you deal with this every day and then I don't understand then it's not worth your time isn't a real valid response
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:03 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It's 100% an economic topic. It's literally impossible to talk about the minimum wage and leave out economics
You became aware at some point that your little rant made no economic sense so you tried to get all emotional.
So then bring your conversation to the economic side of it and not the emotion. How is raising minimum wage such a bad idea when it's been routinely done throughout the modern history?
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:04 am to ChineseBandit58
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Yeah - too bad you are trying to talk about economic issues without understanding one whit of what economics is all about.
There is stupid - and being so stupid you don't know you are stupid. You fit the latter definition
Instead of trying so hard to discredit and insult why don't you explain how raising minimum wage is such a bad idea.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:07 am to Ebbandflow
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So posters of this board are against govt assistance. The same people have shown to be against minimum wage increase.
Question: How can you have it both ways?
Removing resources from one person to give them to an undeserving person is exactly the same as removing resources from one person to give them to an undeserving person.
How can that be "both ways?"
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:13 am to Ebbandflow
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Instead of trying so hard to discredit and insult why don't you explain how raising minimum wage is such a bad idea
Because everybody making just over minimum wage now gets fricked. Teens and low skill workers get fricked. Employers get fricked.
All so you can stick your chest out and say you "helped families" by raising wages of jobs that were never supposed to support families.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:13 am to Ebbandflow
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Instead of trying so hard to discredit and insult why don't you explain how raising minimum wage is such a bad idea.
A national minimum wage is a terrible idea. States and cities should set their own if the want a min wage
In general, costs of living vary too greatly for a national wage. Raising it also hurts the people who mainly are paid min wage, teenagers.
The idea that families are relying on min wage is bullshite. Anyone "stuck" at min wage is virtually unemployable.
Instead of raising the wage, youre better off subsidizing workers and tying it to increased education and/or training.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:15 am to Ebbandflow
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Are you don't think minimum wage being raised can help that become a reality?
No. Workers will cut hours to keep their benefits
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:18 am to SoulGlo
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Because everybody making just over minimum wage now gets fricked. Teens and low skill workers get fricked. Employers get fricked.
All so you can stick your chest out and say you "helped families" by raising wages of jobs that were never supposed to support families.
Well if they weren't meant to support families then why do they exist,? Why would an employer pay any employee low enough wage to where they simply could not survive? How Does It screw so many employers if these aren't meant to be permanent jobs? Because in that case it would sound like they aren't paying very many people to do that job so raising the minimum wage couldn't possibly affect their bottom line that much right? How does it screw low-skilled workers and teenagers?
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 10:43 am
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
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A national minimum wage is a terrible idea. States and cities should set their own if the want a min wage
I can definitely get behind that.
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Raising it also hurts the people who mainly are paid min wage, teenagers.
Please explain.
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The idea that families are relying on min wage is bullshite. Anyone "stuck" at min wage is virtually unemployable.
They can't be too unemployable after employed at minimum wage. That means they're still employed.
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Instead of raising the wage, youre better off subsidizing workers and tying it to increased education and/or training.
Well I definitely agree with that because I believe all education should be free or much cheaper
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:20 am to Centinel
Go to any school and find even the most retarded leftist econ professor. They will even yell you artificially forcing businesses to raise minimum wage is about the dumbest fricking thing you can do.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
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No. Workers will cut hours to keep their benefits
Except that most employers don't want to have employees who are working part-time and making their own schedules up.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:23 am to Ebbandflow
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They can't be too unemployable after employed at minimum wage. That means they're still employed.
They are. Adults who work for min wage do so because they can't keep a job and are continually starting over. Even fast food jobs have a career path if you stick with it.
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Please explain.
It's basic supply/demand. When the price of labor rises, demand for labor drops.
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 10:25 am
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:24 am to Ebbandflow
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Well I definitely agree with that because I believe all education should be free or much cheaper
So you don't want an education to mean anything?
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:25 am to Ebbandflow
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Except that most employers don't want to have employees who are working part-time and making their own schedules up.
Most retail and fast food jobs are exactly like that.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:26 am to RogerTheShrubber
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They are. Adults who work for min wage do so because they can't keep a job and are continually starting over. Even fast food jobs have a career path if you stick with it.
So someone wants to get off welfare and is living in debt and even below Check to Check and you think that starting off at a wage that is unlivable is going to help that? Even if you're correct and it's for the interim, then why must it be so low that it's unlivable? Even when you're starting off trying to work your way up shouldn't you have the ability to make enough money to survive?
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