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re: Govt Assistance and Minimum Wage
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Most retail and fast food jobs are exactly like that.
Then we need to make the prospect of working out with the benefits or make the benefits Universal so that the work is just the income past those benefits
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Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:27 am to Ebbandflow
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Well I definitely agree with that because I believe all education should be free or much cheaper
If you're poor, it is. Most poor people could get a degree or training and it wouldn't cost much, or anything.
There's no excuse for improving yourself
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:28 am to Ebbandflow
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Then we need to make the prospect of working out with the benefits or make the benefits Universal so that the work is just the income past those benefits
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:29 am to TigerChief10
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So you don't want an education to mean anything?
Education should mean much more than a position on a salary ladder. It makes life better for All Peoples to have educated peoples around them.
When I was much younger I quit going to college after 2 years and took 3 years off. My mom convinced me to go back because she said it wasn't about the career opportunities for civically but the expansion of one's abilities to think critically and expand their mind. She was correct and I thank her for it.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:29 am to Ebbandflow
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This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 10:30 am
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:30 am to RogerTheShrubber
Lol. Autocorrect. I was trying to say at the prospect of working should outweigh the benefits. And even an entry-level if the wages were higher than a person could contemplate ditching there benefits for the wages, specifically if things like healthcare already taken care of.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
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If you're poor, it is. Most poor people could get a degree or training and it wouldn't cost much, or anything.
I don't believe that that's true at all and I don't know where you're getting that from. Even if they receive some assistance on education they still have to work and provide during that time which makes it easier to just skip the education and struggle. This is what generally happens.
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There's no excuse for improving yourself
There doesn't need to be
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:32 am to Ebbandflow
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Education should mean much more than a position on a salary ladder.
I agree, but the current educational model needs to be fixed. Post secondary education is achievable without stepping foot in the classroom.
There is really no excuse for a person not to improve themselves today however
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:34 am to Ebbandflow
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I don't believe that that's true at all and I don't know where you're getting that from. Even if they receive some assistance on education they still have to work and provide during that time which makes it easier to just skip the education and struggle. This is what generally happens
On one hand you say there should be no excuses, then you start giving excuses.
Vocational training or an associates degree is virtually free for the poor. You can't force people to make the decision
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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On one hand you say there should be no excuses, then you start giving excuses.
I was just commenting on the quote where you obviously made a mistake and said " there's no excuse for improving yourself." Lol.
There is definitely an excuse for not improving yourself if you are by yourself raising two children and living in the poorest of dumps with nothing but terrible role models all around you. I'm not saying it's impossible but it's incredibly difficult for most people. It's like saying deaf people should all learn to read lips. Some are capable and some are not.
Lots of people have an IQ below 100. Try to remember that
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:43 am to Ebbandflow
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There is definitely an excuse for not improving yourself if you are by yourself raising two children and living in the poorest of dumps with nothing but terrible role models all around you.
Many many people have broken the cycle with a little effort.
Here's some info on low income students
LINK
Two year schools and vocational training are assuredly no out of pocket. Most larger schools will supplement grants with need based scholarship
Low IQ people can attain job training. The girls who hold signs on construction projects around here can make $40 an hour.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Many many people have broken the cycle with a little effort.
Exception is not the rule.
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Two year schools and vocational training are assuredly no out of pocket. Most larger schools will supplement grants with need based scholarship
Low IQ people can attain job training. The girls who hold signs on construction projects around here can make $40 an hour.
See above
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:48 am to Ebbandflow
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Lots of people have an IQ below 100. Try to remember that
Example A. YOU.
So have you read any books on economics yet? Obviously not because you came back to this thread after getting your arse shredded. The answer to your questions have been stated multiple times throughout this thread.
Maybe you should reread it. And. Of course, take that economics class. Since you still can't comprehend shite apparently.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:51 am to Ebbandflow
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but the expansion of one's abilities to think critically and expand their mind
It appears you were brainwashed
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:51 am to Ebbandflow
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Many many people have broken the cycle with a little effort.
Exception is not the rule.
In your opinion most don't. Why? The avenues are there
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Two year schools and vocational training are assuredly no out of pocket. Most larger schools will supplement grants with need based scholarship
Low IQ people can attain job training. The girls who hold signs on construction projects around here can make $40 an hour.
See above
Which above?
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:54 am to beerJeep
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Example A. YOU.
So have you read any books on economics yet? Obviously not because you came back to this thread after getting your arse shredded. The answer to your questions have been stated multiple times throughout this thread.
Maybe you should reread it. And. Of course, take that economics class. Since you still can't comprehend shite apparently.
Dude you haven't said anything, like usual. I came here to have a common sense debate and spark a conversation and you're pretending like I got my arse handed to me.
Your idiotic bravado is noted and unappreciated as is it is neither helpful nor poignant.
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Maybe you should reread it. And. Of course, take that economics class. Since you still can't comprehend shite apparently.
All that anyone has said is a bunch of nonsense and attempting to discredit me just like you were doing here. You have provided no substance and beat your chest for no fricking reason.
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Example A. YOU.
Example A: yourself.
I believe that's the response you were looking for when you were trying to call someone else unintelligent. Lol.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:54 am to Ebbandflow
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If someone is being paid a wage that is not liveable, they will require assistance. If they make enough to live, they will not be eligible.
But here is the problem, how do you determine a livable wage?
Inevitably y’all emotionally inflate it by adding luxuries or entitled elements that go beyond merely being able to survive + have a margin to handle standard emergencies.
In the US, that number (as determined by average in a objective study) for a family of 4 is one person making 13.10/hr. Just having both parents work just one minimum wage job is enough to provide a living wage for the family. And you shouldn’t be making minimum wage year after year with no improvements or raises at all.
So shut up. And stop pretending extreme/marginal cases are the standard issue. It isn’t literally retarded indieviduals claiming they needa a “living” wage.
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 10:55 am
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:01 am to Ebbandflow
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Dude you haven't said anything, like usual. I came here to have a common sense debate and spark a conversation and you're pretending like I got my arse handed to me.
Go read my previous post here frickstick. I've laid it out for you why it's bad to force businesses to raise their wages.
I've laid out for you why forced wage increases HURT those on min wage the most.
I've told you time and time again why it's a bad idea. As have others.
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Your idiotic bravado is noted and unappreciated as is it is neither helpful nor poignant
And your moronic understanding of the most basic of economic principles is noted.
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that anyone has said is a bunch of nonsense and attempting to discredit me just like you were doing here. You have provided no substance and beat your chest for no fricking reason.
I've laid out, multiple times, why raising the minimum wage is a bad thing and hurts those on minimum wage. All you have to do is look at Seattle and their recent fiasco post min wage increase.
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believe that's the response you were looking for when you were trying to call someone else unintelligent. Lol.
Oh man. You got me! So. Let's talk economics buddy.
Why is raising the minimum wage a GOOD thing for those who make minimum wage?
Please give your reasoning in economic terms. Please give the economic relationship between the supply and demand. As well as utility cost of hiring more workers at a higher min wage.
I await your real response. Not your bullshite heartstrings and emotion. Give me the ECONOMIC reasons on why raising the minimum wage is a good thing.
Let's hear it, frick stick.
Annnnnnnnddddd he's gone
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 11:19 am
Posted on 2/17/18 at 2:09 pm to Ebbandflow
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Well if they weren't meant to support families then why do they exist,?
Because they serve a purpose for the employer, the employee, and the clients. You are saying "if a sandwich can't feed a whole family, then why does it exist?"
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Why would an employer pay any employee low enough wage to where they simply could not survive?
Because the employee doesn't produce more than what he would make if he was more productive. Why must that support a family?
If you have a family to feed, get a better job. Gain marketable skills with work experience and produce enough to get paid more. If that work is not recognized and rewarded, find an employer who will pay what you are worth.
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Because in that case it would sound like they aren't paying very many people to do that job so raising the minimum wage couldn't possibly affect their bottom line that much right?
Do you know how many people actually make minimum wage?
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How does it screw low-skilled workers and teenagers?
If you need an explanation on this, you are beyond hope.
But, I'll bite.
If a teenager or low skilled worker can only produce about $8 per hour of work, then why would an employer pay $10 or $15? The answer is they wouldn't. They would not hire said worker, as the position is detrimental to the business. They would find a cheaper way to achieve productivity or eliminate the position altogether.
Low income people who have worked to gain skills and have increased productivity enough to be worth $13 per hour suddenly make minimum wage again when the $15/hr fiat wage hike goes into effect. The price index increases and his buying power for that work becomes far less than what he had before... even though he is getting paid a couple bucks more.
Is this really hard to understand, or are you completely oblivious to any concepts of commerce, trade, productivity, barter, or any other exchange of goods and services?
Posted on 2/17/18 at 3:24 pm to Ebbandflow
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Minimum Wage
The people who earn this are usually in high school, college, or working a second job.
If by the time you reach adulthood and you are still making minimum wage you have made some terrible choices in life.
Why do you think a high school student needs to make a "living" wage?
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