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re: Got Infusion for COVID today. Only patient that hadn’t be vaccinated before positive
Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:15 pm to medtiger
Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:15 pm to medtiger
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medtiger
I may be going out on a limb here in presuming that you can read. When a poster writes:
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Vaccine doesn't stop the spread in either direction for the individual.
Why do you think that
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reducing infectivity, via preventing infection and through reducing viral shedding.
disproves their assertion? You do know that 'stop' and 'reduce' have different meanings? Everything I keep reading lowers that original confidence level from 100% all the way down to 64%
So does the vaccine stop the vaccinated from catching or spreading the virus (and its variants)? Of course not, otherwise you wouldn't have that Minn. chart saying 11% of their hospitalized are fully vaccinated. Or the UK saying 40% of their hospitalized are fully vaccinated. Nor a wedding in Houston requiring all 92 participants to be fully vaccinated, ending up with 1 dead, 2 in ICU and 3 more as positive.
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:19 pm to BlueDogTiger
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Explain. They all were doing much worse than me.
I’ll explain. The doctors whose job it is to protect the public health aren’t lying. You are.
I’ll keep listening to the doctors, the rest of you guys can listen to the random guy posting anonymously on the internet with an agenda.
PS: Everyone there talked about how dumb you were for not getting the vaccine the moment you left.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:40 pm to theunknownknight
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The vaccinated are having a tough go with the “variants”
That’s the hard truth
But let the lemmings believe the lies
Anecdotal isn't really proof though. The data provided shows that the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are still effective. It shows that they may still get the virus and test positive but the vaccines protect them from serious symptoms and tells the body how to get rid of it, which is what you want.
You'll need better evidence than something you saw somewhere.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:42 pm to ned nederlander
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9000 Texas Covid Deaths Since February
I'll give you that Ned. 9000 deaths out of 30 million people in 6 months. So that rounds up to 20,000 deaths a year.
This is a rate of 0.067%. Why are we pushing this vax so hard.
The article also states that 50,000 deaths since March 2020, which is 16 months and that is a yearly rate of 37,500.
This is a rate of 0.125%.
The article goes on:
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That means 99.5% of people who died due to COVID-19 in Texas from Feb. 8 to July 14 were unvaccinated, while 0.5% were the result of “breakthrough infections,” which DSHS defines as people who contracted the virus two weeks after being fully vaccinated.
The agency said nearly 75% of the 43 vaccinated people who died were fighting a serious underlying condition, such as diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, cancer or chronic lung disease.
Additionally, it said 95% of the 43 vaccinated people who died were 60 or older, and that a majority of them were white and a majority were men.
It was sure to tell us that 75% of the vax'd had serious underlying conditions & 95% of the vax'd were over 60. Why didn't it give us any data on the unvax'd? Why keep that data from the people??
So that is nice to throw out 9000 deaths as a scary number, but you have to put that into perspective. The death rates impact the old and have virtually zero impact to young and little to the middle aged. So why are we forcing all to take it.
The regular flu kills more kids every year than this CV-19 even thought about.
If they were pushing this hard to the elderly and high risk people, that would be rational. But to push it to every age group and threaten vax passports and going door to door is irrational and without logic.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:47 pm to RobbBobb
I did misread the post I responded to. I didn't realize it was specifically discussing a person who had covid both before and after a vaccine. In that specific case, the vaccine didn’t stop the spread.
To your examples, no one ever claimed the vaccines were 100% effective. Of course there are breakthrough infections. I do find it fairly concerning that you can't find a specific breakthrough infection rate anywhere. That number is very easy to compute because the government knows who's vaccinated and who isn't when they get tested.
Posting that study was aimed at squashing the narrative I've seen posted over and over on this board that the vaccine doesn’t help to reduce covid infections nor help to reduce the spread of disease from one person to another. That narrative is false.
To your examples, no one ever claimed the vaccines were 100% effective. Of course there are breakthrough infections. I do find it fairly concerning that you can't find a specific breakthrough infection rate anywhere. That number is very easy to compute because the government knows who's vaccinated and who isn't when they get tested.
Posting that study was aimed at squashing the narrative I've seen posted over and over on this board that the vaccine doesn’t help to reduce covid infections nor help to reduce the spread of disease from one person to another. That narrative is false.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:50 pm to BlueDogTiger
I got the natural vaccine....real live COVID.
That's enough for me and my doctor!
That's enough for me and my doctor!
Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:52 pm to ned nederlander
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Nurse that is a moron or an OP that is lying. Don’t make me choose cruel world.
I have issues with these and the others that have been posted.
In February the amount of deaths from unvaccinated could be 100%. Just today could be 80%.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:53 pm to medtiger
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To your examples, no one ever claimed the vaccines were 100% effective.
Actually, Joe Biden did.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 8:05 pm to Statestreet
SOLID POST 
Posted on 7/22/21 at 8:40 pm to BlueDogTiger
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Nurse told us all that they are seeing mostly vaccinated lately.
What hospital?
Posted on 7/22/21 at 8:46 pm to BlueDogTiger
The vaccine is providing artificial immunity that may not be activating the acquired immune system. This would result in temporary immunity.
An actual infection will provide life long immunity - IF the virus doesn't mutate sufficiently to fool the immune system.
I'm just a biologist, where the hell are all the "real" experts with the truth?
An actual infection will provide life long immunity - IF the virus doesn't mutate sufficiently to fool the immune system.
I'm just a biologist, where the hell are all the "real" experts with the truth?
Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:32 pm to medtiger
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no one ever claimed the vaccines were 100% effective
You sure about that?
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Moderna also reported that its vaccine's efficacy rate was consistent across age, race, ethnicity and gender demographics as well as having a 100% success rate in preventing severe cases of a disease that has killed nearly 1.5 million people.
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Although the J&J vaccine's efficacy at protecting against symptomatic COVID-19 in clinical trials was less than the two-dose mRNA vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna, it showed 100% effectiveness against hospitalization and death.
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COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca confirms 100% protection against severe disease, hospitalisation and death in the primary analysis of Phase III trials
Now intelligent people can debate the 100% claim not meaning infection, but to the folks that get their news on social media, they were bluffed into thinking they were 100% protected against the virus
Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:36 pm to BlueDogTiger
Plenty of vaccinated people are getting COVID, but that always was going to be the case. Any information to the contrary was misleading on their part or a misunderstanding on yours.
They arent getting hospitalized and dying for the most part however. In most major metros, 99+% of the COVID inpatients are unvaccinated. I've seen a hundred or so COVID patients in the last two weeks inpatient and TWO of them were vaccinated.
The vaccine does decrease your chances of getting the disease, pretty substantially in fact. Even for the variants its a 60-70% reduction. But that means in a large population a huge number of vaccinated people will still get sick. Almost none of these peop,e will become gravely ill or die though.
They arent getting hospitalized and dying for the most part however. In most major metros, 99+% of the COVID inpatients are unvaccinated. I've seen a hundred or so COVID patients in the last two weeks inpatient and TWO of them were vaccinated.
The vaccine does decrease your chances of getting the disease, pretty substantially in fact. Even for the variants its a 60-70% reduction. But that means in a large population a huge number of vaccinated people will still get sick. Almost none of these peop,e will become gravely ill or die though.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:48 pm to VoxDawg
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There weren't any variants until we started injecting people with mRNA editing agents and called it a vaccine.
Or until the audits.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 10:09 pm to Statestreet
quote:Who told you that?
January 2021- "The vaccine will prevent infection"
Posted on 7/22/21 at 10:17 pm to BlueDogTiger
quote:Were you just going room to room wandering in and asking patients about their treatment and whether they were vaccinated?
I am not a doctor. Just a patient and can confirm. I spoke to all the patients.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 10:54 pm to LSUfor8
Excellent post LSUfor8. You eloquently stated my thoughts and beliefs precisely……are you reading my thoughts?
Posted on 7/22/21 at 10:57 pm to jp4lsu
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So that is nice to throw out 9000 deaths as a scary number, but you have to put that into perspective.
The only perspective I’m throwing out with that article is of the 9000 deaths in Texas from covid since February, 99.5% are unvaccinated. The OP’s entire post is that vaccinated people are going for treatment more than the unvaccinated. His support for that claim is some nurse said so. The reality is that claim is demonstrably false.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 10:57 pm to ned nederlander
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9000 deaths in Texas from covid since February, 99.5% are unvaccinated
You get what you ask for it appears
Posted on 7/23/21 at 8:27 am to BlueDogTiger
quote:So you won't take a vaccine that studies have shown are 95% effective, yet you are taking an emergency use authorization cocktail that smaller studies have shown it to be moderately effective?
I think the vaccines dont work. Probably not even a variant
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