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Gorsuch to hear major case on Church and State separation tomorrow
Posted on 4/18/17 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 4/18/17 at 10:56 pm
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Interesting...
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Justice Neil Gorsuch's first week on the Supreme Court bench features an important case about the separation of church and state that has its roots on a Midwestern church playground. The outcome could make it easier to use state money to pay for private, religious schooling in many states.
The justices on Wednesday will hear a Missouri church's challenge to its exclusion from a state program that provides money to use ground-up tires to cushion playgrounds. Missouri is among roughly three dozen states with constitutions that explicitly prohibit using public money to aid a religious institution, an even higher wall separating government and religion than the U.S. Constitution erects.
Interesting...
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Posted on 4/18/17 at 10:58 pm to MButterfly
I'm sure whatever the law says he will rule on it. That's why he's there right?
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:06 pm to MButterfly
Whats the law?
Its that simple
Its that simple
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:07 pm to MButterfly
The only complaint I have about Gorsuch is that his last name really makes your mouth move a lot and especially so with Justice in front of it.
Say Justice Gorsuch out loud and tell me if that takes a bit of an effort to say.
Say Justice Gorsuch out loud and tell me if that takes a bit of an effort to say.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:08 pm to Rakim
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Whats the law?
Its that simple
Based on the article that state law seems pretty clear.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:13 pm to Sentrius
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Say Justice Gorsuch out loud a
I said it and only moved my lips once.
But I am from mississippi so I have trained in this field.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:17 pm to MButterfly
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Missouri is among roughly three dozen states with constitutions that explicitly prohibit using public money to aid a religious institution (my note to add: either indirectly or directly)
Yet Missouri allows religious institutions to receive sales and property tax exemptions.
That sound you hear is a liberal head exploding.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:18 pm to Sentrius
Go country on him..
Gore-
Such
Gore-
Such
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:21 pm to MButterfly
its rly not about separation of church and state, its a law for schools and the religious schools are being discriminated against because they are religious schools.
OP is misleading as frick, they use the funds to pay for rubber floors of playgrounds at ALL schools, except for religious ones.
They will rule in favor of the school, not the religion hating state law makers.
it would be like denying a veteran with a felony VA healthcare if there were a law prohibiting using gov funds to provide care to felons. this is about schools, not church and state.
ETA:: this isn't about " what's the law?" if youre referring to the state. The law of the land says you cant deny or discriminate based on religious beliefs. that will be the winning argument.
OP is misleading as frick, they use the funds to pay for rubber floors of playgrounds at ALL schools, except for religious ones.
They will rule in favor of the school, not the religion hating state law makers.
it would be like denying a veteran with a felony VA healthcare if there were a law prohibiting using gov funds to provide care to felons. this is about schools, not church and state.
ETA:: this isn't about " what's the law?" if youre referring to the state. The law of the land says you cant deny or discriminate based on religious beliefs. that will be the winning argument.
This post was edited on 4/18/17 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:31 pm to Gusoline
I agree, it wouldn't be difficult to argue this is a statutory exclusion of religion.
One would have to include the lawmakers' intent of proposing such a state constitutional amendment, no? If Missouri meant to choke out Catholicism with this, and expressed this fear as the reasoning however many years ago, wouldn't liberal jurisprudence include this stated intent, even though it wasn't its practice? They did it for Trump.
Well lookie here:
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One would have to include the lawmakers' intent of proposing such a state constitutional amendment, no? If Missouri meant to choke out Catholicism with this, and expressed this fear as the reasoning however many years ago, wouldn't liberal jurisprudence include this stated intent, even though it wasn't its practice? They did it for Trump.
Well lookie here:
quote:
The U.S. Supreme Court has a chance Wednesday to fix a flaw in Missouri’s constitution — a prohibition borne of anti-Catholic prejudice and unneeded today. If the court passes up its opportunity, Missouri’s voters should fix the mistake on their own. The case involves a so-called Blaine Amendment, which prohibits the use of public money for religious purposes. Missouri’s voters added the language to their state constitution in 1875. “No money shall ever be taken from the public treasury, directly or indirectly,” it says, “in aid of any church, sect or denomination of religion.” Similar amendments and statutes were sweeping the nation at the time. They were seen as a way to stop tax money from funding Catholic schools.
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This post was edited on 4/18/17 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:35 pm to texashorn
Another good argument I heard on Hanity's radio show was that it would be the same as the fire department refusing to put out a fire at a church because " you cant use state funds"
Posted on 4/19/17 at 4:37 am to montanagator
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Based on the article that state law seems pretty clear.
You do realize the USSC doesn't rule based on state laws right?
Posted on 4/19/17 at 5:04 am to Gusoline
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its a law for schools and the religious schools are being discriminated against because they are religious schools.
I don't know man.
If this law get overturned then Islamic schools can demand public funds.
Maybe this law needs to stay.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 5:09 am to Gusoline
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Another good argument I heard on Hanity's radio show was that it would be the same as the fire department refusing to put out a fire at a church because " you cant use state funds"
That is not a good analogy. Fires are a danger to everyone in the vicinity. A fire is a public safety issue.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 7:15 am to MButterfly
I like how every conservative is so pro state rights except when they don't like the state's laws.
As a true conservative who actually wants a small federal government I hope Supreme Court rules in favor of letting states make their own laws.
As a true conservative who actually wants a small federal government I hope Supreme Court rules in favor of letting states make their own laws.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 7:26 am to kfont28
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I like how every conservative is so pro state rights except when they don't like the state's laws.
That's a dumb statement. States rights have no bearing on constitutional protections. Nothing can strip those rights away from us.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:07 am to moneyg
I didn't know churches had constitutional protections to get public money. I learn something new everyday.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:11 am to MButterfly
Gorsuch will vote in favor of the church on this one. He has a soft spot for the bible thumpers. Public money should not be going to religious institutions. They are already collecting money tax free.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 8:13 am
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:13 am to Gusoline
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Another good argument I heard on Hanity's radio show was that it would be the same as the fire department refusing to put out a fire at a church because " you cant use state funds"
Building a recreational playground with public money and relying on the public emergency service are not the same thing. They aren't even close. Terrible analogy.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:14 am to MButterfly
New Governor seems to be on the side of the Church here. Not even sure there's a dispute at this point.
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