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re: GOP elections are futile unless they adopt the ballot collection effort.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:29 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:29 am to SlowFlowPro
It was hard to look at in hindsight as no one thought the democrats would have the audacity to write laws to still use mail in ballots and vote for a month.
But you are correct overall. The GOP knew the democrats were doing this w/o a pandemic excuse when the laws/regs were passed.
Why didn't the GOP put up vote mailboxes and get a ground game to GOTV?
Was it because they again fooled many into being digital warriors sitting at home waiting for a win? Along with the GOP ineptitude and that the GOP could GAF?
Dunno, maybe because the GOP made a deal with the democrats to hush it when PA was called for democrats; because none of them wanted Mastriano or Oz in there? OMB.
You do believe they are a uniparty, no? That crazy former special operator Gov Jesse Ventura-said years ago, that the secret about DC is that they are all friends. They play infighting for the cameras until OMB came along.
But you are correct overall. The GOP knew the democrats were doing this w/o a pandemic excuse when the laws/regs were passed.
Why didn't the GOP put up vote mailboxes and get a ground game to GOTV?
Was it because they again fooled many into being digital warriors sitting at home waiting for a win? Along with the GOP ineptitude and that the GOP could GAF?
Dunno, maybe because the GOP made a deal with the democrats to hush it when PA was called for democrats; because none of them wanted Mastriano or Oz in there? OMB.
You do believe they are a uniparty, no? That crazy former special operator Gov Jesse Ventura-said years ago, that the secret about DC is that they are all friends. They play infighting for the cameras until OMB came along.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:35 am to KAGTASTIC
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Who is being excluded? You no standards "lets evolve to every ones whim" approach is not sustainable long term. At least the Right is able to know their fundamentals and stick to them.
The Republican platform has shifted every year for as long as I have been alive. 20 years ago, MAGA was voting Democrat. Blue collar, Working class, unions, etc..
The biggest current flaw is that very few people want a total ban on abortion. Most want exclusions, rape, incest, etc, and 12-15 weeks.
The religious right simply doesn't pull in enough votes on this issue to keep it as a plank. Every red state to date where the people can vote (Kansas and Kentucky) have rejected it.
It ain't a hill worth dying on, and would bring in many Republicans and independents who literally are one issue voters.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:37 am to Texaggie96
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The biggest current flaw is that very few people want a total ban on abortion. Most want exclusions, rape, incest, etc, and 12-15 weeks.
The religious right simply doesn't pull in enough votes on this issue to keep it as a plank. Every red state to date where the people can vote (Kansas and Kentucky) have rejected it.
It ain't a hill worth dying on, and would bring in many Republicans and independents who literally are one issue voters.
You'll get downvoted to hell for that.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:54 am to Texaggie96
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The religious right
So this group needs to "evolve" and abandoned millenea of beliefs to satisfy the current "feels". Got it.
I was specific to say the Right hasn't moved, not the Republican Party. Theres a difference.
To capture people who think killing babies is more important than other major issues isn't worth changing a major moral belief on. And we all know the 12-15 week thing is not where the left will stop, so stop it.
And looks like your state of TX didn't seem to care as much over that issue to make major changes.
I know...you lefties expect the righties to change moral beliefs little by little to accept y'all's moral beliefs, no matter what, and get upset when told no. We use to all have a standard moral compass in this country. Those aren't on the same plan anymore. The Dems/lefties have had the most drastic shift of moral compass, to where it's no longer in the same realm/plain as the Rights and the foundation of this nation.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 11:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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There is no less issue of integrity than any other election in human history.
That's a ridiculous argument as the entirety of human history contains untold legions of elections both big and small. I'll guarantee the Presidential elections in Venezuela have less integrity than the election of Mayor in Winnsboro.
Sticking with just US elections, context disagrees. Mass-mailed ballots are inherently less secure than in-person voting and even absentee ballots. There's absolutely no chain of custody for those ballots verifying that they are getting to the intended person (nor even that the intended person even still lives in that location) and often there's only minimal custody chains when going from drop-off location to counting location. That's definitively less secure and pushing for less security in the voting process comes from a lack of integrity.
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Winning elections is about turnout. This is just a method of turnout the GOP can't ignore anymore.
Wrong. This isn't "turnout" it's simply turning in lump sums of ballots with no real chain of custody. The way of the Left is to grab three inches then let go of two once they encounter resistance. Many on the Right look at this as a victory as we get back two, but the reality is they've gained one. Voting security is no different. If we go along with the normalization of this (and participate in it), they'll eventually push something else. We'll resist at first then people like you will say we need to give in and adopt it. And on, and on until we're at a point where even non-citizens are allowed to vote (that's already being pushed in California).
Stop it now by fixing it instead of just giving in and following them in exploiting problems.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 11:32 am to GumboPot
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GOP elections are futile unless they adopt the ballot collection effort
That’s the end of democracy.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 11:38 am to KAGTASTIC
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So this group needs to "evolve" and abandoned millenea of beliefs to satisfy the current "feels". Got it.
You're an idiot if you think there party hasn't evolved based on the electorate. The folks who won't or can't will just splinter off the vine and wither and die.
160 years ago the Republican party freed the slaves and invaded the south.
After civil rights, the core base shifted from the north to the south.
In 73, after Roe vs Wade, the party officially adopted a pro life stance.
The party isn't stagnant. You may be but the party will continue to adapt to survive, or it will die like the whigs.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 11:39 am to Texaggie96
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You're an idiot if you think there party hasn't evolved based on the electorate.
Sure it has.
You zoomers just have fricked up values.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 12:00 pm to Texaggie96
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You're an idiot if you think there party hasn't evolved based on the electorate
Your reading comprehension is lacking. I've been clear to separate the religious right and the republican party as whole. The party may have changed, but the religious rights foundation hasn't by its followers.
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In 73, after Roe vs Wade, the party officially adopted a pro life stance.
So the Republican party prior was a pro-abortion party or did this drastic change in morality all of a suddenly force the party to come out against it?
Posted on 11/12/22 at 12:17 pm to KAGTASTIC
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So the Republican party prior was a pro-abortion party or did this drastic change in morality all of a suddenly force the party to come out against it?
The party electorate was actually pretty evenly split, even when this became a platform point in 76. The Republican party didn't really swing to the evangelical right until Reagan's era when evangelism grew throughout the south. Obviously enough of the party felt it could get votes at the cost of those who may leave the party over it (abortion in 76).
People don't change their morality over changes in a party platform, however some issues are a deal breaker. People will join or quit based on these platforms.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 12:30 pm to GumboPot
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GOP leadership needs to match Democrat ballot collection efforts.
Like...cheating?
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