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Posted on 1/7/18 at 4:10 pm to I B Freeman
I too am excited about the prospect of paying more for less.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 4:14 pm to I B Freeman
Posted on 1/7/18 at 4:15 pm to ShortyRob
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I don't know why you keep lying.
Fixed it for you. He's trying to claim that Verizon and Comcast support net neutrality and behind the scenes tried to have it implemented to protect them from future competition
Bottom line is Verizon believes they have the first amendment right to edit any and all content that is transmitted through them before it's delivered to you.
This post was edited on 1/7/18 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 1/7/18 at 7:55 pm to MOJO mod
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expensive fiber
Fiber is cheaper to run than copper. Having incentive to replace the copper wire is a different story. AT&T along with many other publicly traded companies have been using their subsidies for decades to improve their bottom line instead of keeping up with technology and increasing the quality of service for their rural customers unlike many of the privately owned ISPs.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 8:13 pm to AUstar
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Maybe, we'll see. Fiber has so much more bandwidth, though. With wireless you're limited by certain radio frequencies.
Of course, Elon Musk (and competitors) plan to launch a fleet of low-orbit satellites that will cover the country. It will offer 30ms latency and 1 Gbps speeds which is about the same as a wired connection. Current satellite Internet sucks because it has around 600ms latency, which isn't very enjoyable.
Satellite Internet, of course, uses radio waves just as terrestrial wireless. While they may be able to provide 1 Gbps now, will they be able to offer 10 Gbps or 100 Gbps tomorrow? Will there be enough radio spectrum available? Fiber will have no problems as several Terabits have already been demonstrated in test equipment.
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I can download at 35mbs on a 4G hotspot from an Iphone, seems pretty good. When 5G is widely available with 1gbs it will be plenty fast for consumer applications. I don't see T/VZ investing too much in in wired internet services once 5G is rolled out, the field costs to deploy and maintain wireless service is peanuts compared to copper and fiber.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 8:24 pm to Bass Tiger
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I can download at 35mbs on a 4G hotspot from an Iphone, seems pretty good. When 5G is widely available with 1gbs it will be plenty fast for consumer applications. I don't see T/VZ investing too much in in wired internet services once 5G is rolled out, the field costs to deploy and maintain wireless service is peanuts compared to copper and fiber.
Instead.. they'll just sue competitors out of existence and lobby for legislation to protect them
Posted on 1/7/18 at 8:28 pm to ShortyRob
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In about 18 months give or take. I'll bring this subject back up on the board and laugh at all of these assholes
Make sure to go on record as what exactly “success” looks like if you plan on doing this.
I’ve already had people point out wireless cell based access as a fair alternative.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 9:25 pm to I B Freeman
Where were all these fantastic benefits prior to 2015?
Posted on 1/7/18 at 10:24 pm to Volvagia
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Make sure to go on record as what exactly “success” looks like if you plan on doing this.
LOL
You've got to be kidding.
All that's required for laughter is when all the predicted doom and gloom don't happen.
That's money in the bank right there.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 10:30 pm to I B Freeman
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local and state regulation and franchise agreements---the practice that these hysterical net neutrality proponents should really be fighting.
They never admit this is the issue.
They just say more regulation will fix everything.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 10:39 pm to ShortyRob
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All that's required for laughter is when all the predicted doom and gloom don't happen.
As I figured. A made up shifting goalpost claim that allows you to claim whatever you want as a victory.
There really isn’t much predicted gloom and doom other than companies using their power to further rape their customers, comfortable in the knowledge of a captive base.
That’s cute if you don’t think we can find examples of THAT in the next 18-24 months.
It was the OTHER side that primarily predicted doom if the government was allowed the POSSIBILITY of POTENTIALLY treating ISPs as a full utility under Title 2.
This post was edited on 1/7/18 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 1/7/18 at 10:47 pm to SoulGlo
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They just say more regulation will fix everything.
Please show me three people who have said that in support of NN.
Because I remember multiple people loudly yelling, with an occurance WITHIN this thread, that the problem is the removal of regulations without the concurrent removal of their monopolies.
And spare us the melodrama of it being big bad local government. While I’m sure that’s the case in places, and corruption and manlipulation on others, fundamentally the problem is how aggressively they will fight to protect their fiefdoms.
They are NOT above going to to the state level to legally force local governments to bend to their will.
And absent provisions to control shite like that, you need LIGHT regulation to help protect consumers.
For fricks sake, being forced to treat the transportation of a given quantity of data along a given path the same regardless of contents is NOT a business ball breaker.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 10:48 pm to Volvagia
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There really isn’t much predicted gloom and doom
Holy shite man. I realize you haven't been on this board in a bit, but we had MULTIPLE 50 page threads with every NN advocate ever to grace this board with doom and gloom on steroids. You'd have thought there were going to be bodies in the streets.
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That’s cute if you don’t think we can find examples of THAT in the next 18-24 months
LOL. I'm sure you'll hang your hat on a thing here or there and pretend that they match up to the predictions prior to the change.
quote:Dude. Now you're just full of shite. Do some searches on this board and say that shite with a straight face.
It was the OTHER side that primarily predicted doom if the government was allowed
Posted on 1/7/18 at 10:56 pm to Volvagia
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They just say more regulation will fix everything.
Please show me three people who have said that in support of NN.
Because I remember multiple people loudly yelling, with an occurance WITHIN this thread, that the problem is the removal of regulations without the concurrent removal of their monopolies.
What's that you say?
Ah. MORE government interference.
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And spare us the melodrama of it being big bad local government. While I’m sure that’s the case in places, and corruption and manlipulation on others, fundamentally the problem is how aggressively they will fight to protect their fiefdoms.
They are NOT above going to to the state level to legally force local governments to bend to their will.
Hmmm. Sounds like the job of the FTC.
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And absent provisions to control shite like that, you need LIGHT regulation to help protect consumers.
Ah, there is the wonderful P word because consumers can't think for themselves.
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For fricks sake, being forced to treat the transportation of a given quantity of data along a given path the same regardless of contents is NOT a business ball breaker.
Not business. Liberty.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 10:58 pm to SoulGlo
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They never admit this is the issue.
They just say more regulation will fix everything.
Local and state regulations are absolutely the issue. You know what's a really good solution to the problem that can address the issue in every single state? The federal government setting a standard and then employing a light-touch regulatory scheme inside that box. It's unrealistic to expect the states or 19.5k different municipalities to undo the problems they created when they allowed something very close to a natural monopoly.
You talk about liberty.. where is the liberty in the Verizon argument claiming that there customers do not have 1st amendment rights when accessing content through Verizon services?
This post was edited on 1/7/18 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 1/7/18 at 11:06 pm to bmy
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Local and state regulations are absolutely the issue
Well, now we're getting somewhere.
So why is an issue regarding the trade of goods and services supposed to be regulated by the FCC?
(Hint: remember, Soros is behind this)
Posted on 1/7/18 at 11:08 pm to SoulGlo
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What's that you say?
Ah. MORE government interference.
They didn’t attain that monolopy via competition.
But rather through government intervention.
Asking for pulling that plug isn’t additional intervention.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 11:10 pm to SoulGlo
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Well, now we're getting somewhere.
So why is an issue regarding the trade of goods and services supposed to be regulated by the FCC?
(Hint: remember, Soros is behind this)
You talk about liberty.. where is the liberty in the Verizon argument claiming that there customers do not have 1st amendment rights when accessing internet content through Verizon services? You expect me to believe Soros is a proponent of free-speech now? He keeps swapping sides. It's difficult to keep track of the boogieman's positions lately.
This post was edited on 1/7/18 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 1/7/18 at 11:11 pm to SoulGlo
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Hmmm. Sounds like the job of the FTC.
Yep.
And they bitched and sued to declare that they were exempt from all regulation, because they fell under the definition of utilities.
Winning that court case is WHY the FCC slapped on Title 2.
Read: the government didn’t declare teleco’s as a utility. The big Teleco’s did in a court of law.
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