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Goodbye Net Neutrality; Hello Competition

Posted on 1/6/18 at 7:27 pm
Posted by I B Freeman
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 7:27 pm
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At long last, with the end of “net neutrality,” competition could soon come to the industry that delivers Internet services to you. You might be able to pick among a range of packages, some minimalist and some maximalist, depending on how you use the service. Or you could choose a package that charges based only on what you consume, rather than sharing fees with everyone else.

Internet socialism is dead; long live market forces.

With market-based pricing finally permitted, we could see new entrants to the industry because it might make economic sense for the first time to innovate. The growing competition will lead, over the long run, to innovation and falling prices. Consumers will find themselves in the driver’s seat rather than crawling and begging for service and paying whatever the provider demands.

Ajit Pai, chairman of the FCC, is exactly right. “Under my proposal, the federal government will stop micromanaging the internet. Instead, the F.C.C. would simply require internet service providers to be transparent about their practices so that consumers can buy the service plan that’s best for them.”



This post was edited on 1/6/18 at 7:29 pm
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 7:28 pm to
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A Fed for Communication

The old rules pushed by the Obama administration had locked down the industry with regulation that only helped incumbent service providers and major content delivery services. They called it a triumph of “free expression and democratic principles.” It was anything but. It was actually a power grab. It created an Internet communication cartel not unlike the way the banking system works under the Federal Reserve.

Net Neutrality had the backing of all the top names in content delivery, from Google to Yahoo to Netflix to Amazon. It’s had the quiet support of the leading Internet service providers Comcast and Verizon. Both companies are on record in support of the principle, repeatedly and consistently, while opposing only Title II which makes them a public utility – a classic "have your cake and eat it" position.

The opposition, in contrast, had been represented by small players in the industry, hardware providers like Cisco, free-market think tanks and disinterested professors, and a small group of writers and pundits who know something about freedom and free-market economics.

The public at large should have been rising up in opposition, but people were largely ignorant of what was going on with net neutrality. Consumers imagined that they would get censorship-free access and low prices. That’s not what happened.

What was sold as economic fairness and a wonderful favor to consumers was actually a sop to industrial giants.
Here’s what’s was really going on with net neutrality. The incumbent rulers of the world’s most exciting technology decided to lock down the prevailing market conditions to protect themselves against rising upstarts in a fast-changing market. The imposition of a rule against throttling content or using the market price system to allocate bandwidth resources protects against innovations that would disrupt the status quo.

Industrial Giants

What was sold as economic fairness and a wonderful favor to consumers was actually a sop to industrial giants who were seeking untrammeled access to your wallet and an end to competitive threats to market power.

Let’s grasp the position of the large content providers. Here we see the obvious special interests at work. Netflix, Amazon, and the rest don’t want ISPs to charge either them or their consumers for their high-bandwidth content. They would rather the ISPs themselves absorb the higher costs of such provision. It’s very clear how getting the government to make price discrimination illegal is in their interest. It means no threats to their business model.

By analogy, let’s imagine that a retailer furniture company were in a position to offload all their shipping costs to the trucking industry. By government decree, the truckers were not permitted to charge any more or less whether they were shipping one chair or a whole houseful of furniture. Would the furniture sellers favor such a deal? Absolutely. They could call this “furniture neutrality” and fob it off on the public as preventing control of furniture by the shipping industry.

But that leaves the question about why the opposition from the ISPs themselves (the truckers by analogy) would either be silent or quietly in favor of such a rule change. Here is where matters get complicated. After many years of experimentation in the provision of Internet services — times when we went from telephone dial-up to landlines to T1 connections to 4G and 5G data coverage — the winner in the market (for now) has been the cable companies. Consumers prefer the speed and bandwidth over all existing options.

But what about the future? What kind of services are going to replace the cable services, which are by-and-large monopolies due to special privileges from states and localities? It’s hard to know for sure but there are some impressive ideas out there. Costs are falling for all kinds of wireless and even distributed systems.

Raising Costs

If you are a dominant player in the market — an incumbent firm like Comcast and Verizon — you really face two threats to your business model. You have to keep your existing consumer base onboard and you have to protect against upstarts seeking to poach consumers from you.

Net neutrality closed down market competition by generally putting government and its corporate backers in charge.
For established firms, a rule like net neutrality can raise the costs of doing business, but there is a wonderful upside to this: your future potential competitors face the same costs. You are in a much better position to absorb higher costs than those barking at your heels. This means that you can slow down development, cool it on your investments in fiber optics, and generally rest on your laurels more.

But how can you sell such a nefarious plan? You get in good with the regulators. You support the idea in general, with some reservations, while tweaking the legislation in your favor. You know full well that this raises the costs to new competitors. When it passes, call it a vote for the “open internet” that will “preserve the right to communicate freely online.”

Neutrality was Deceptive

But when you look closely at the effects, the reality was exactly the opposite. Net neutrality closed down market competition by generally putting government and its corporate backers in charge of deciding who can and cannot play in the market. It erected barriers to entry for upstart firms while hugely subsidizing the largest and most well-heeled content providers.

So what are the costs to the rest of us? It meant no price reductions in internet service. It could mean the opposite. Your bills went up and there was very little competition. It also meant a slowing down in the pace of technological development due to the reduction in competition that followed the imposition of this rule. In other words, it was like all government regulation: most of the costs were unseen, and the benefits were concentrated in the hands of the ruling class.

There was an additional threat: the FCC had reclassified the internet as a public utility. It meant a blank check for government control across the board. Think of the medical marketplace, which is now entirely owned by a non-competitive cartel of industry insiders. This was the future of the internet under net neutrality.

Good riddance, then. No more government-managed control of the industry. No more price fixing. No more of the largest players using government power to protect their monopoly structure.

We should take our deregulation where we can get it.

In the short term, the shift by the FCC does not mean the immediate emergence of a free marketplace for Internet service. But it is a step. If we let this experiment in liberalization run a few years, we will see massive new entrants into the sector. As with every good or service provided by market forces, consumers will gain the benefit of innovation and falling prices.

The end of net neutrality is the best single deregulatory initiative yet taken by the Trump administration. The simultaneous, contradictory, and economically absurd attempt by the Justice Department to stop the merger of Time-/Warner and AT&T–which might only be a government attempt to punish CNN and therefore an abuse of presidential power–is another matter for another time.

We should take our deregulation where we can get it.


This is copied from the Foundation for Economic Education. LINK


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Posted by Northwestern tiger
Long Island NY
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 7:29 pm to
The would be great if true since consumers are being left with no option in most cases.

link?
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 7:30 pm to
The Foundation for Economic Education is a great organization that I have followed since 1982 when at the suggestion of one of my professors I subscribed to their publication "The Freeman".

I encourage you all to poke around their website and perhaps take some of their short courses.
Posted by Bunyan
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 7:31 pm to
Ajit Pai is my hero!
Posted by 33inNC
Charlotte, NC
Member since Mar 2011
4987 posts
Posted on 1/6/18 at 7:31 pm to
Yep, and how about the big cable companies are ALREADY raising prices by $10 a month right after this passes. Watch how much worse it will get.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9099 posts
Posted on 1/6/18 at 7:36 pm to
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I encourage you all to poke around their website and perhaps take some of their short courses.


Ditto for the Mises Institute.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9099 posts
Posted on 1/6/18 at 7:37 pm to
Have you ever asked yourself why these cable companies basically have monopoly power in every town they're in already?
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
17034 posts
Posted on 1/6/18 at 7:38 pm to
Problem is that it's VERY hard if not impossible to be an upstart in the first place. Do you realize the cost to run your own wire on the existing pole infrastructure? Google tried it and even they gave up because Comcast et al kept suing them in every locality they tried to run fiber.

Does the end of net neutrality also mean the end to sweetheart local deals with the big MSO's like Comcast/Verizon? I somehow doubt it. Until that happens the consumer has very little choice for wired Internet (which is still superior to wireless of any kind).
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/6/18 at 7:42 pm to
because of local and state regulation and franchise agreements---the practice that these hysterical net neutrality proponents should really be fighting.

It is amazing when I have suggested that they will not acknowledge that is the problem. I think most of these NN proponents are puppets for the big guys that would profit from FCC regulation.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 7:47 pm to
Completely agreed.
Posted by MOJO mod
Haughton
Member since Nov 2010
370 posts
Posted on 1/6/18 at 8:11 pm to
Wired internet will be the rotary phone in just a few years, allowing more companies to offer services. I live in a rural area that only offers 1 provider and shitty internet....I’m looking forward to seeing market competition and less government involvement.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
17034 posts
Posted on 1/6/18 at 8:21 pm to
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Wired internet will be the rotary phone in just a few years


Maybe, we'll see. Fiber has so much more bandwidth, though. With wireless you're limited by certain radio frequencies.

Of course, Elon Musk (and competitors) plan to launch a fleet of low-orbit satellites that will cover the country. It will offer 30ms latency and 1 Gbps speeds which is about the same as a wired connection. Current satellite Internet sucks because it has around 600ms latency, which isn't very enjoyable.

Satellite Internet, of course, uses radio waves just as terrestrial wireless. While they may be able to provide 1 Gbps now, will they be able to offer 10 Gbps or 100 Gbps tomorrow? Will there be enough radio spectrum available? Fiber will have no problems as several Terabits have already been demonstrated in test equipment.
Posted by Scrowe
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2010
2926 posts
Posted on 1/6/18 at 8:28 pm to
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Maybe, we'll see. Fiber has so much more bandwidth, though. With wireless you're limited by certain radio frequencies.


Exactly, it all comes to fiber eventually, so it won't be able to surpass it
This post was edited on 1/6/18 at 8:32 pm
Posted by MOJO mod
Haughton
Member since Nov 2010
370 posts
Posted on 1/6/18 at 9:02 pm to
I agree that for now it won’t surpass fiber, but considering most of the country is not high density urban areas fiber won’t be predominant in most areas....especially the area I live. Companies currently have no incentive to run expensive fiber into low population areas. Again, no problem with that issue I only hope market competition will drive companies to develop more wireless options and better service.

I’m not tech savvy but I thought I read somewhere where there is technology in development using LED lighting to beam internet? My main interest in all this is due mainly to the area I live.....absolutely love living in the country but I have shite for options technology wise
Posted by schexyoung
Deaf Valley
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 9:15 pm to
All of this.
Posted by ctalati32
Member since Sep 2007
4060 posts
Posted on 1/6/18 at 9:32 pm to
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Wired internet will be the rotary phone in just a few years, allowing more companies to offer services. I live in a rural area that only offers 1 provider and shitty internet....I’m looking forward to seeing market competition and less government involvement.





And you think net neutrality was the thing stopping this?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 1/6/18 at 9:45 pm to
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With market-based pricing finally permitted, we could see new entrants to the industry because it might make economic sense for the first time to innovate. The growing competition will lead, over the long run, to innovation and falling prices. Consumers will find themselves in the driver’s seat rather than crawling and begging for service and paying whatever the provider demands.


"Then why weren't market-based pricing schemes a thing before net neutrality rules were put into place in 2015?"

Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
17034 posts
Posted on 1/6/18 at 9:47 pm to
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I’m not tech savvy but I thought I read somewhere where there is technology in development using LED lighting to beam internet? My main interest in all this is due mainly to the area I live.....absolutely love living in the country but I have shite for options technology wise


It's called "LiFi." It's pretty cool, but you'll still need the Internet piped to your home in some way. LiFi is mostly just a local wireless access point.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 1/6/18 at 9:48 pm to
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And you think net neutrality was the thing stopping this?


Yes he does because he is just as ignorant as the OP, send up the free market bat signal and they come a runnin' clueless as to what the issues actually are.

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