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re: God has been squeezed out of our country with each passing year
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:19 pm to mindbreaker
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:19 pm to mindbreaker
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Doesn't make you right to force your beliefs
I thought you were mentally strong? So, if I tell a person that "Jesus Loves them", now I'm FORCING my beliefs on them. I thought "forcing" someone is demanding or making them believe in what I believe. All I do is offer what my Savior offered me. It's up to the person to choose. That's not force, that's choice.
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I am tolerant I think you personally should be able to practice and religion you want as long as is doesn't interfere with the freedoms of others.
Do you have a personal instance where a meanie Christian kept you from practicing your religion? I'm sorry you live in a country where 70% of the population identifies with Christianity. Maybe you need to move to Nepal.
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:25 pm to Lg
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So, if I tell a person that "Jesus Loves them", now I'm FORCING my beliefs on them
Nope but when said person says I don't believe that and you argue with them as you have done with me in this thread it is.
At anytime you could have said I was welcome to my beliefs and moved on but you didn't. Don't play holier than thou now sport. You have already outed yourself as a militant Christian.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:30 pm to mindbreaker
quote:Engaging in public discourse is now considered emotional terrorism now. Great.
Nope but when said person says I don't believe that and you argue with them as you have done with me in this thread it is.
At anytime you could have said I was welcome to my beliefs and moved on but you didn't. Don't play holier than thou now sport. You have already outed yourself as a militant Christian.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:31 pm to crazyatthecamp
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You can teach them right and wrong but in actuality you have no basis for right and wrong if you don't have God behind it.
If the only thing standing between someone committing murder, rape, etc is because an invisible wizard in the sky said not to, then I think they're the ones I should be afraid of.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:32 pm to FooManChoo
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Engaging in public discourse is now considered emotional terrorism now. Great.
Your words not man. You sheep have the spin game down pat I'll give you that.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:35 pm to mindbreaker
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At anytime you could have said I was welcome to my beliefs and moved on but you didn't. Don't play holier than thou now sport. You have already outed yourself as a militant Christian.
You came into the thread downing anybody who believes in God as mentally weak. And you are calling me a militant Christian? Why did you jump into the thread? To show us how tolerant a Buddhist is?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:36 pm to mindbreaker
You said someone was forcing their beliefs on you because they wouldn't shut up when you didn't want to discuss it any more and then called that person a militant Christian.
If you want to know what someone "forcing" their religion looks like, go check out some Islamic countries in the Middle East. Telling someone about their faith is not "forcing" it on you.
If you want to know what someone "forcing" their religion looks like, go check out some Islamic countries in the Middle East. Telling someone about their faith is not "forcing" it on you.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:44 pm to mindbreaker
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Your words
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People that need the presence of a "God" to be morally sound are mentally weak and should not be trusted.
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Sorry you aren't strong enough to know right from wrong without the thought of a all powerful being.
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I know how to raise kids without the threat of an all powerful sky fairy, and traumatizing them with the thought of an afterlife in fire.
How tolerant of you my man. Militant atheist is what it sounds like.
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We will fight against oppression, subjection, and suffering. You obviously don't know much about my religion.
Apparently you don't either.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:47 pm to Lg
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You came into the thread downing anybody who believes in God as mentally weak
Because that is my belief. You argued with me about obviously pushing your agenda on me.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:51 pm to Lg
Neither of those first two comments were directed at you. You chose to engage me based on comments I made to other people. That was your choice and it showed who you were as a person.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:52 pm to steadytiger
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God has been squeezed out of our country with each passing year
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:56 pm to Lg
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So what makes your moral authority of right and wrong mine? What's your standard?
Just because someone doesn't need God or Jesus to teach them right from wrong it doesn't mean they can't be a Moral person. I mean it is common sense on how to treat people. I don't need a book or religion to tell me that.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:57 pm to steadytiger
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Now we need armed guards to keep our children safe. I know, this post will be trashed, but there it is.
Christian churches should give up their tax exempt status so they can be free to speak political truth from the pulpit. The tax exempt status is being used as a muzzle to keep Christians from expressing political beliefs based in God’s word.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:59 pm to Jake_LaMotta
quote:Everyone who has morals is a moral person. Morality is just standard of judging right action and wrong action. If morality is subjective, everyone who acts according to their moral standard is a "good" person, even if their standard for "good" is stealing, raping, and murdering. It's why moral relativism is such a sham.
Just because someone doesn't need God or Jesus to teach them right from wrong it doesn't mean they can't be a Moral person.
quote:There are a lot of people that would disagree with you on that.
I mean it is common sense on how to treat people.
quote:Good for you. There are a lot of people that disagree with what constitutes "good" in our society.
I don't need a book or religion to tell me that.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:06 pm to FooManChoo
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Good for you. There are a lot of people that disagree with what constitutes "good" in our society
Now this I can agree with. My biggest problem and the turn to God as the be all end all answer. Which God? the Christina one. Wasn't all that long ago war was wage in that God's name too.
Now had this thread title been Morality and Goodness has been squeezed out of our country each passing year then yeah that's a discussion to be had. When you bring religion and God into it you start the whole "who's beliefs are better?" debate.
Golden rule is a very good starting point. We could start there and expand without bringing religion into it at all.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:06 pm to mindbreaker
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Neither of those first two comments were directed at you.
So you come into the thread dissing on God and those that believe in Him and you don't expect to get any blow back from a Christian. So all Christians HAVE to be tolerant of other's beliefs but you can say whatever because that's YOUR belief. Yep, you are the typical atheist lib. Should have known.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:11 pm to mindbreaker
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Golden rule is a very good starting point. We could start there and expand without bringing religion into it at all.
The Golden Rule...who came up with this?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:14 pm to mindbreaker
quote:Let's have the discussion, then. There are good, practical reasons for the Christian's understanding of God.
Now this I can agree with. My biggest problem and the turn to God as the be all end all answer. Which God? the Christina one.
quote:Anyone can wage war for any reason. If you're talking about the typical anti-Christian talking points like the crusades, there is no Biblical justification for Christians killing others in the name of Jesus. Even the Old Testament conquests of the land of Israel weren't "in the name of God" (to spread the faith).
Wasn't all that long ago war was wage in that God's name too.
quote:We are having that very discussion about whose beliefs are better with or without religion. Everyone has a worldview that accounts for their standard of morality. Whether that worldview is based on the Christian Bible or on a naturalistic, humanistic standard, we all have competing ideas of "good" (morality). In a world of moral relativism, my standard cannot be worse than yours, even if it's based on religion.
Now had this thread title been Morality and Goodness has been squeezed out of our country each passing year then yeah that's a discussion to be had. When you bring religion and God into it you start the whole "who's beliefs are better?" debate.
quote:I agree that the golden rule is good, but my basis for it is that we are all created in God's image and therefore have intrinsic value which should lead us to treat all people with respect, goodness, and kindness, as we would expect to be treated.
Golden rule is a very good starting point. We could start there and expand without bringing religion into it at all.
Now what's your justification for the golden rule in a relativistic worldview where morality is nothing more than preference?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:15 pm to Dawgfanman
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The Golden Rule...who came up with this?
Evolution.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:15 pm to crazyatthecamp
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You can teach them right and wrong but in actuality you have no basis for right and wrong if you don't have God behind it.
Wrong.
You can claim that objective morality comes from the flying spaghetti monster and your claim would be just as robust as suggesting that it comes from God.
That should give you an idea of how intellectually vapid that line of argument is.
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