re: Glenn Danzig: Punk rock wouldn't exist today because of "woke bullsh*t"

Why did the punk rocker cross the street?

Because he had a chicken sewn to his face.

Thank you for the post.

As a young, cynical man i could relate to the energy and anger in the music of the Sex Pistols, Misfits, Black Flag, Bad Brains, etc.

For me it was about fighting against all the conformist pressures to turn me into a shiny, productive, recreating robot living in some pristine suburban bubble. I've fought against this my whole life and still live that way.

It's good to know I'm still on the side of the anti's.

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In his prime, he was a short, hairy muscular dude. He would have actually been closer to the comic book Wolverine than Hugh Jackman.

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Oh, no doubt. He'd have been an excellent Wolverine from a physiological standpoint.

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Quoted lyrics from the song 'Mother', which was actually a big frick-you to Tipper and Al Gore and their Parents Music Resource Center bullshite.

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As it turns out many posters in this thread were correct that Glenn Danzig is a BASED prophet.

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[i]You mentioned that "Mother" was about the PMRC. Were they a problem for you specifically?

Yeah, you know, Al Gore wanted to tell people what they could listen to and what they couldn't, what they could record. It was basically coming down to the idea that he wouldn't let anybody record any music that he didn't think you should be doing. There was going to be an organization that would tell you what you could and couldn't record. And certainly if you couldn't record it, you couldn't put it out. It was really fascist.

My view on Democrats is that they're fascists disguised as liberals, or liberal moderates. You're not allowed to say anything that they don't agree with. You're not allowed to do anything. Also, the whole Obama, "I can kill anybody with a drone with no trial," is kind of disturbing. I'm surprised that more people who are supposedly liberal aren't more disturbed by it. I think whatever Obama does is OK with them, because he's Obama. It's bullshite.

It's the same thing with the PMRC telling you, "Bands can go on trial for their music." What's next, Wagner is going to get arrested? What? He's dead. [Laughs]

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The Offspring, Rage and Green Day have always been fakes. Always. RATM have never practiced what they preached.

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Today's art culture is tied at the hip with progressivism.

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So was yesterday's art culture. Some bands more than others were explicitly progressive, but to divorce punk arbitrarily from mostly progressive politics wouldn't be accurate. What is different is that there is corporate sponsorship of these progressive ideals where there wasn't before, as well as mainstream acceptance.

Do you think these same bands would somehow rebel against the thematic elements of social justice that were included in the style of music since its inception now that those ideas are more mainstream? It wasn't anti-authoritarian for its own sake.

Interestingly enough, being able to "make" punk music doesn't seem to clue you in to its history.

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Old school punk was rebelling against authority, wanting freedom, ESPECIALLY freedom of speech.

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Wow, it's like being able to play punk music doesn't confer any punk aesthetics or sensibilities.

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Current alt culture is rebelling against those who oppose authority, and seek to CONTROL speech.

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Again, do you think these bands were anti-authoritarian for the sake of being anti-authoritarian? You seem to be misunderstanding who the object of disdain was for older punk bands, or that maybe the reason some of these politics are mainstream is due to their introduction through punk.

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While they may wrap it in "social justice", the aims are antithetical. Those who are involved in it see that, but they ignore it because it successfully "triggers" their family and supporters of that bad orange man.

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Lol. So they aren't punks because the progressive political frame espoused by numerous bands all across the punk subgenres is now mostly mainstream, but they are still punk because they can supposedly "trigger" people?

You should really read the history of the punk subculture, because the anti-authoritarian streak was specifically and meaningfully aimed at many conservative values, as well as explicit anti-fascist, anti-racist, and anti-corporate themes. That progressive politics is now more mainstream doesn't automatically mean they would espouse values counter by virtue of some vague commitment to anti-authoritarianism or free speech. If you think that then you severely misunderstand the origins of the punk subculture, and you seem to insist upon some of these ideals as though they are intractable, which is a weird stance, as people can be hypocrites too.

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RATM

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Quite possibly the most overrated band of all time.

I know these things because I interact with musicians every single day. I'm a part of the diy punk scene. It might not be London or New York in the 70's, but there's always punks. There's always kids with loud amps, guitars, angst, and a microphone who want to rebel. Punks have always had a lot of infighting, gate-keeping, hypocrisy, and "no true scotsman" bullshite going on. I just don't like that the new scene is anti-free speech. I know it's anti free speech because I'm in it, and I see these assholes rail against it every damn weekend at shows and livestreams. They seem hell bent on destroying the very freedoms that allow them to do what they do in the first place. Much like republicans who supported the Patriot Act now shocked to find it used against them, these young punks fail to see how they're setting themselves up for being silenced.

And don't hang this up as a product of boomerism and nostalgia. I'm only 30. The shift in the diy music scene from being pro free speech to anti free speech happened recently, while I was active in it. They were literally all screaming about freedom of speech and f&%k your feelings all the way up until 2016. Then, they all, to a man, made a sudden about face. It was a joke.