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re: Giorgia Miloni (Italy) already proven to be a fraud
Posted on 10/23/22 at 9:42 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 10/23/22 at 9:42 am to AggieHank86
quote:Right.
Being difficult to invade because you are a remote backwater with no roads and horrible weather does not make you a Great Power.
How many battles had Napoleon lost prior to Russia?
Now do the multiple Russian-French battles subsequent to Moscow in which the French were decimated. By all means, do take your time.
You really should park the contrarian schtick. You do yourself a disservice.
For most of the 19th century historians cite six "major world powers" -- Russia, Great Britain, France, Austria-Hungary, Italy and Germany.
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Posted on 10/23/22 at 9:43 am to KiwiHead
quote:
But Meloni has had this stance since she started. You going to criticize her for consistency?
Maybe I wasn't clear. I was talking about my misgivings about female politicians in general, not Meloni specifically.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:00 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Right.
How many battles had Napoleon lost prior to Russia?
Now do the multiple Russian-French battles subsequent to Moscow in which the French were decimated. By all means, do take your time.
Russia has natural advantages for defense.
That's not being a "great power". Hell, those defensive capabilities are why Russia stayed so isolated and behind Europe proper. Imperial conquest is a great driver in proliferation of development.
However, if Russia really sees defense as a sign of being a great power, I understand why they're so scared of NATO
Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:01 am to NC_Tigah
Beginning with Peter the Great, Russia badly WANTED to be considered a Great Power. Because the Tsars were their cousins, the actual Powers let them pretend, but no one believed it. With the Napoleonic Wars, Russia finally at least had a legit claim for a few decades, but arse-kickings in the Crimean War and the Russo-Japanese War confirmed that Russia was NOT a Great Power. Just a regional bully.
This post was edited on 10/23/22 at 10:12 am
Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You surprise me.
And they were terrible in both world wars.
So, had we kept the US Army in England and Africa, and out of continental Europe entirely, the Russian Army would have overrun Germany on its own. Soviet victory was a fait d’accompli a year prior to Normandy.
Subsequent to German failures at Stalingrad and the Russian counteroffensive, the end was written for Hitler. It was just a matter of time.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:11 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
the Russian Army would have overrun Germany on its own.
Now post the costs.
Again, Russia has a huge population. It's the only thing that kept it from losing.
Having a huge population and sustaining unfathomable losses doesn't mean you did a good job
Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:14 am to NC_Tigah
Now you are talking about the USSR, not Russia.
Without Western capital and manufacturing assistance, the USSR would not have accomplished the ends that you describe in WW2.
But yes, the USSR was a Great Power for about half a century. That is not the 1000 Years referenced earlier in the thread.
Without Western capital and manufacturing assistance, the USSR would not have accomplished the ends that you describe in WW2.
But yes, the USSR was a Great Power for about half a century. That is not the 1000 Years referenced earlier in the thread.
This post was edited on 10/23/22 at 10:17 am
Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:18 am to AggieHank86
quote:No.
the Russo-Japanese War confirmed that Russia was NOT a Great Power.
No more than the Armada's defeat confirmed Spain was not a major power in the 16th/17th centuries, or the Franco-Prussian War confirmed France was not a major power.
Re: The Russo-Japanese War, TR realized the conflict confirmed Japan as a major power, and a de facto threat to the US as a "Pacific Nation." That's why he was so keen on negotiating a peace between the two.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:19 am to Goonie02
not to you Goonie
the bending over backwards to fight for being an unjustified neocon and warmonger is stunning
rarely if ever seen before in the USA
you guys take the cake... please take all the corpses too from among your children
the bending over backwards to fight for being an unjustified neocon and warmonger is stunning
rarely if ever seen before in the USA
you guys take the cake... please take all the corpses too from among your children
Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:32 am to AggieHank86
quote:
But yes, the USSR was a Great Power for about half a century.
Yes. The only time Russia had that claim
Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:USSR had about 2X the population of Germany-Austria. They outproduced German war products about 3-to-1 and suffered a similar casualty ratio. Nonetheless, it allowed the Soviets to kick the arse of an enemy which had swept the combined "super-power" armies of France and Great Britain from the continent in a matter of months.
Russia has a huge population
Are you attempting to now undercut your own contention of "about 45 years in the 2nd half of the 20th century"?
Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:42 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
it allowed the Soviets to kick the arse of an enemy which had swept the combined "super-power" armies of France and Great Britain from the continent in a matter of months.
Post the death counts
quote:
Are you attempting to now undercut your own contention of "about 45 years in the 2nd half of the 20th century"?
45 + 45 = 90
USSR developed when they stole our tech
This post was edited on 10/23/22 at 10:43 am
Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:42 am to NC_Tigah
warmongers gonna warmonger
the amazing part is how it is the followers of marxian religion this time in America
you dont owe the morons any definition of Russian power - they are already consumed with the bloodlust and crime of those under which they labor as sheep
like I said - amazing marxians in the Democrat sheeps clothing
unable to think for themselves
the amazing part is how it is the followers of marxian religion this time in America
you dont owe the morons any definition of Russian power - they are already consumed with the bloodlust and crime of those under which they labor as sheep
like I said - amazing marxians in the Democrat sheeps clothing
unable to think for themselves
This post was edited on 10/23/22 at 10:43 am
Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:43 am to JJJimmyJimJames
quote:
you dont owe the morons any definition of Russian power - they are already consumed with the bloodlust and crime of those under which they labor as sheep
Where were you born?
Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:44 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Blitzkrieg works really well against a modern country with things like, you know, roads. It also works pretty well in flat, DRY country.
an enemy which had swept the combined "super-power" armies of France and Great Britain from the continent in a matter of months
It works less-well in territory with no roads and with only mud tracks that are about ten feet deep.
This post was edited on 10/23/22 at 10:48 am
Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:same hospital in which Mitch McConnell was born
Where were you born?
about 12 years after him
My relatives almost certainly delivered that bitch.
WHERE WERE YOU BORN?
This post was edited on 10/23/22 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:As stated, battlefield casualties were roughly 3-to-1. Are you referring to civilian deaths as well? If so, do German/Polish/Dutch/Hungarian Jews count?
Post the death counts
quote:Ah. So they were on their way to defeating Germany with or w/o a US/UK western front, but they weren't a major power until 1945.
45 + 45 = 90
USSR developed when they stole our tech
Posted on 10/23/22 at 11:02 am to AggieHank86
You do this to yourself. SMH. It's like messageboard Munchausen's Syndrome.
Right?
or
Like, you know, all those French superhighways leading from Normandy through the hedgerows?
Got it?
quote:... like, you know, the Ardennes' six-lane Autobahn?
Blitzkrieg works really well against a modern country with things like, you know, roads.
Right?
or
Like, you know, all those French superhighways leading from Normandy through the hedgerows?
Got it?
Posted on 10/23/22 at 11:29 am to NC_Tigah
Good Lord.
War 101
Offensive warfare is different from defensive warfare
War 101
Offensive warfare is different from defensive warfare
Posted on 10/23/22 at 11:43 am to AggieHank86
You have overtaken HHTM as the worst PB poster
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