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re: Get the facts out — everything we know so far
Posted on 7/17/25 at 2:51 pm to SallysHuman
Posted on 7/17/25 at 2:51 pm to SallysHuman
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There ARE co-conspirators... and they were agreed to be uncharged
Also said Maxwell was granted immunity...
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Posted on 7/17/25 at 2:54 pm to lake chuck fan
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As far as any evidence against Trump, that's beyond ridiculous!!! As it would have been used against Trump long ago.
I didn't say anything about DT's direct involvement. I don't think he is.
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IF these allegations were proven true, I would care. Until then, I don't care.
How any person can believe there's evidence still laying around is beyond silly. The criminals destroyed whatever evidence existed before Bondi or Patel were confirmed.
Now we're to the point I want to make.
Why is Trump refusing to make the files public? If the files are proof that there is no list, never was one, and that Epstein was just a lone perv fricking teenage girls groomed for him by Maxwell - why won't DT make the files public?
Posted on 7/17/25 at 2:55 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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Drop this in ChatGPT and give me summary
You could probably actually do this by linking the post and telling it to read the links, but you’d need to have deep research activated & it wouldn’t be a short summary.
Possible you may have to feed it the links manually.
Posted on 7/17/25 at 2:55 pm to Pecos Pedro
Giuffre's life story she wrote herself is also out there in PDF with all the dirty details
Posted on 7/17/25 at 2:55 pm to lake chuck fan
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How any person can believe there's evidence still laying around is beyond silly. The criminals destroyed whatever evidence existed before Bondi or Patel were confirmed.
One thing I am not seeing at this point is any victims out there claiming they were abused, trafficked, etc. Epstein has been dead for six years so any of the events would have happened probably a decade or more ago at this point. There is no one else coming forward at this point with an accusations against anyone in Epstein’s circles.
Just because someone knew or hung out with Jeffrey Epstein doesn’t mean they did anything wrong.
Posted on 7/17/25 at 2:57 pm to DeathByTossDive225
The case is now cracked.. lock them all up!!!
This post was edited on 7/17/25 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 7/17/25 at 2:57 pm to David_DJS
Well let's talk about what the "files" consist of?
What do you guys think exists? Reports from surveillance? Records Epstein kept? statements from witnesses?
A lot of that stuff is probably in the public domain. I think the biggest question mark for me is the body of evidence - the videos, photos, records.
And if a lot of that is essentially/potentially CP, it's not seeing the light of day.
What do you guys think exists? Reports from surveillance? Records Epstein kept? statements from witnesses?
A lot of that stuff is probably in the public domain. I think the biggest question mark for me is the body of evidence - the videos, photos, records.
And if a lot of that is essentially/potentially CP, it's not seeing the light of day.
Posted on 7/17/25 at 2:58 pm to 14&Counting
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One thing I am not seeing at this point is any victims out there claiming they were abused, trafficked, etc. Epstein has been dead for six years so any of the events would have happened probably a decade or more ago at this point. There is no one else coming forward at this point with an accusations against anyone in Epstein’s circles.
Who got the half billion dollars in settlements awarded "victims" from the likes of JP Morgan Chase? Was there ever a list? There certainly was a payout.
Posted on 7/17/25 at 3:05 pm to Pettifogger
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What do you guys think exists? Reports from surveillance? Records Epstein kept? statements from witnesses?
I don't know what other guys are thinking, but I'm a person that before Trump and team did an about face, really didn't give much of a shite about the Epstein shitshow because I figured it was a lot smoke but not much fire. I harbored some hope that some assholes I despised got slapped around legally, or at least were embarrassed publicly. And I though it would be Trump to set the record straight by making public the reports/explanations of the investigations into - prospective other "abusers", links to intelligence organizations.
I think it's reasonable to assume those things were investigated, so layout the evidence that convinced the DOJ there was nothing there, in any of it.
It's the refusal to make public the results of the investigation that has made me more suspicious there's something there than I ever was before.
Posted on 7/17/25 at 3:07 pm to 14&Counting
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One thing I am not seeing at this point is any victims out there claiming they were abused
Well, Giuffre is dead.
She was a big one to come forward & just by reading the replies to this thread you’d know she signed an NDA.
If I had signed an NDA & also noted the biggest witness in the scandal committed suicide, I might be afraid to come forward with an allegation too… especially if the only proof I had was my story.
This post was edited on 7/17/25 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 7/17/25 at 3:08 pm to BabyGumbo
NDAs with who? Epstein is dead.
Posted on 7/17/25 at 3:09 pm to Pettifogger
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What do you guys think exists? Reports from surveillance? Records Epstein kept? statements from witnesses?
I think Epstein was under surveillance and investigation by the FBI and others so there is a lot of raw intel in those files about his comings and goings and who he was associated with but probably didn't arise to the level of being able to bring a criminal case.
That said, what I would be interested in is if Epstein was an FBI informant or working with any domestic or foreign intel. It's not that far fetched to believe that Epstein could be FBI snitch and passing information and the agency turned a blind eye to his activities. It would explain why Kash and Bongino look like they are in a hostage video when discussing Epstein. Also, given his association with Maxwell and given her father's lieflong association with the Zionist cause and Mossad (which isn't even debatable) l it's not that far fetched to believe Epstein may have been approached by them as well. I think Mossad would be quite interested to know about a powerful American politician who likes young girls.
Epstein being an informant to some law enforcement or intel agency domestic or otherwise is not a stretch for me to believe at all.
This post was edited on 7/17/25 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 7/17/25 at 3:10 pm to Pettifogger
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Well let's talk about what the "files" consist of?
What do you guys think exists? Reports from surveillance? Records Epstein kept? statements from witnesses?
Musk posted a good tweet about this. LINK
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In the context of Epstein's investigations, the FBI raided his properties and seized vast amounts of evidence, including hard drives, CDs, videos, documents, and other media potentially containing "blackmail" videos or client lists.
Official reviews, including a 2025 DOJ-FBI memo, confirm the seizure of over 300 gigabytes of data, including victim images/videos and over 10,000 downloaded child sexual abuse materials (CSAM) and pornography.
The FBI's chain-of-custody protocols make accidental loss virtually impossible without deliberate interference.
Every item would be logged at collection (e.g, during the 2019 NY raid, agents photographed contents of a safe containing hard drives, CDs labeled "Young [Name] + [Name]" or "Girl pics nude," diamonds, cash, and passports).
Transfers require signed forms, and digital evidence is cataloged in secure databases.
Losing an item would leave a glaring gap in records, triggering automatic audits or alerts.
Evidence is stored in locked, monitored facilities with limited access. For digital items like videos, backups and encryption are standard.
Accidental loss (e.g, misplacement) is improbable due to inventories and surveillance. If "lost," it would imply someone with access intentionally removed or deleted it - e.g, a 2025 whistleblower alleged FBI agents systematically deleted Epstein-linked files, and a 2021 court hearing revealed safe contents temporarily "went missing" after the raid.
High-profile evidence like Epstein's undergoes extra scrutiny, with DOJ oversight and potential Inspector General reviews.
The FBI's protocols create a near-impenetrable system where "loss" demands active subversion - such as falsifying logs, breaking seals, or deleting data - implying corruption or cover-up rather than oversight.
So what happenend to the mountain of evidence?
This post was edited on 7/17/25 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 7/17/25 at 3:10 pm to Pettifogger
I don’t think any of the victims implicated WJC or Bill Richardson in pedo stuff though.
Just JE and the notsofresh Prince
I could be wrong though
Just JE and the notsofresh Prince
I could be wrong though
Posted on 7/17/25 at 3:13 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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Well, Giuffre is dead.
She was a big one to come forward & just by reading the replies to this thread you’d know she signed an NDA.
Giuffre filed a civil suit against Prince Andrew at the last possible moment as a money play. I think Andrew did it but she never filed a criminal complaint as it would have been impossible to prove. The Royal Family just paid up to make it go away and avoid the embarrassment.
Posted on 7/17/25 at 3:13 pm to Vacherie Saint
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NDAs with who? Epstein is dead.
If Maxwell and Epstein were employing NPA’s it isn’t a stretch at all to think they were advising their co-conspirators to do the same.
Or that this isn’t just common practice amongst high-profile people in private affairs, much less criminal ones.
Michael Buble famously makes people he sleeps with sign NDAs. Michael Buble is a washed up musician & a lot less scary than a cult of masters of the universe.
This post was edited on 7/17/25 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 7/17/25 at 3:15 pm to David_DJS
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Why is Trump refusing to make the files public? If the files are proof that there is no list, never was one, and that Epstein was just a lone perv fricking teenage girls groomed for him by Maxwell - why won't DT make the files public?
I don't know and I don't care. As hard as it is for some to understand, some things should not be made public for valid reasons. These valid reasons to not publicly release information, unfortunately, might provide cover for bad people doing bad things but for the greater good they are covered as well due to whatever connections exist. I'm not defending this, but I understand how this situation can exist.
I'm trusting Trump until I have proven reasons not to.
Thus far, this muh Epstein drama is nothing but allegations and conjecture.
I say again, any credible evidence has been deleted or shredded.
Posted on 7/17/25 at 3:17 pm to DeathByTossDive225
Maybe but all of these victims either gave sworn plaintiffs statements, went public (documentaries and other media), or participated in civil suits. I doubt NDAs are the reason.
Posted on 7/17/25 at 3:26 pm to Pecos Pedro
[embed]BRB, using imagination since no context or names or dirt or anything. Did you even read it? Just decided to keep all that shite to yourself rather than share with the rest of us?[/embed]
I read through a lot of the unsealed attachments. It would really be a lot to share on here. The only thing I copied and pasted is from Viginia G's testimony is as follows:
Q.
So Donald Trump was in your mind you
believe a witness to the sexual abuse of minors?
A.
I don't think Donald Trump participated in
anything. That would have to be another assumption. I
never saw or witnessed Donald Trump participate in those
acts, but was he in the house of Jeffrey Epstein. I've
heard he has been, but I haven't seen him myself so I
don't know.
Q.
Is Bill Clinton a witness to the sexual
abuse of minors?
A.
Yes, he would be a witness because he knew
what my purpose there was for Jeffrey and he visited
Jeffrey's island.
I read through a lot of the unsealed attachments. It would really be a lot to share on here. The only thing I copied and pasted is from Viginia G's testimony is as follows:
Q.
So Donald Trump was in your mind you
believe a witness to the sexual abuse of minors?
A.
I don't think Donald Trump participated in
anything. That would have to be another assumption. I
never saw or witnessed Donald Trump participate in those
acts, but was he in the house of Jeffrey Epstein. I've
heard he has been, but I haven't seen him myself so I
don't know.
Q.
Is Bill Clinton a witness to the sexual
abuse of minors?
A.
Yes, he would be a witness because he knew
what my purpose there was for Jeffrey and he visited
Jeffrey's island.
Posted on 7/17/25 at 3:32 pm to 14&Counting
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One thing I am not seeing at this point is any victims out there claiming they were abused,
You have to work very hard not to see them. How long can you keep your eyes closed and still function in life?
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