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re: George Floyd died of a panic attack. He told the officers the truth, he couldn't breath
Posted on 7/12/20 at 7:54 am to ApexTiger
Posted on 7/12/20 at 7:54 am to ApexTiger
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most concluded, the cop just killed him and appeared to be unphased and didn't mind being filmed
Those people aren't reasonable, I agree. Chauvin didn't intend to kill Floyd, but Chauvin was well outside of protocol at the exact time Floyd died. Blatantly outside of protocol. That coupled with the fact that Floyd died presents a substantial problem for Chauvin.
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 7:54 am to gthog61
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Good God, the local officials had to coroner shop to find one to come to a ruling they wanted.
Yes. They shopped all the way to Medical Examiner’s office.
Where do y’all come up with this stuff?
Posted on 7/12/20 at 7:56 am to abellsujr
Then we are even since I care none for your curt response. He suffered a panic attack and died being restrained. That much is obvious. BTW, why did you read the post and respond? Further, can you read since my post was specific as to medical training.
As to the professional reports they are in some conflict and who knows what motivated them?. They both concluded I believe a homicide which I "think" indicates arrest and or restraint caused him to die. Officer Lane was tuned in and noticed his bizarre behavior, speech and actions. Drugs? Drink? Fear? One thing cannot be denied. He died after early saying he couldn't breath, expressed claustrophobia, begged not to be put into the car and was panic'd about the possibility of being shot. I have read where he asked to lay down? Did he? If you can't believe a dying man's words then I'm at a loss.
As to the professional reports they are in some conflict and who knows what motivated them?. They both concluded I believe a homicide which I "think" indicates arrest and or restraint caused him to die. Officer Lane was tuned in and noticed his bizarre behavior, speech and actions. Drugs? Drink? Fear? One thing cannot be denied. He died after early saying he couldn't breath, expressed claustrophobia, begged not to be put into the car and was panic'd about the possibility of being shot. I have read where he asked to lay down? Did he? If you can't believe a dying man's words then I'm at a loss.
Posted on 7/12/20 at 7:59 am to davyjones
quote:Read the transcript. He was unable to breathe (according to him) and was kicking and fighting long before Chauvin even arrived. So I’m asking, when he refused to get in the car by kicking and resisting, was that when the cops were supposed to let him go?
Heck no. Just get up off his neck and back once the dude's cuffed and on his stomach, thus not presenting any further risk of dangerous struggle
Posted on 7/12/20 at 8:03 am to jimdog
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But he would also 100% be alive had he not had that anxiety attack.
True or false, if you have a problem like anxiety or panic attacks, you should take the drugs your doctor prescribes and not take street drugs?
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He was not resisting the officer's per se
Yeah he was. You're offering a defense - pardon me - an explanation for this resistance that ignores the drugs in his system and his extensive criminal history.
I respect that, but it isn't grounded in reality, particularly with the same breath you discount the effects of illicit drugs. The LAST thing a person with a panic disorder should be fricking around with is a stimulant, particularly meth which is notorious for being of inconsistent strength and purity.
Posted on 7/12/20 at 8:08 am to jimdog
These are the worst takes on the situation.
Trying to rationalize the death as a gotcha to the left for their pathetic response is a very bad look for the right.
The man was killed in cold blood with no remorse by Chauvin.
He'd 100% be alive if he hadn't had a knee blocking his blood flow for 12 min.
Trying to rationalize the death as a gotcha to the left for their pathetic response is a very bad look for the right.
The man was killed in cold blood with no remorse by Chauvin.
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Would George Floyd be alive if (A) he had not passed counterfeit or if (B) the police had not come after him? Yes. But he would also 100% be alive had he not had that anxiety attack.
He'd 100% be alive if he hadn't had a knee blocking his blood flow for 12 min.
Posted on 7/12/20 at 8:08 am to griswold
Nobody's supposed to let anybody go. He needed to be arrested. He was arrested. He gave them problems. I got no problem with how they addressed the situation up until the moment that Chauvin continued to apply his knee to Floyd's neck while Floyd was cuffed and on his stomach. I'd also add that Chauvin needed to address Floyd's medical complaints by starting medics to the scene. Most every cop will tell you that as annoying as it is most of the time, they typically request medics when those types of medical complaints are communicated. Better safe than sorry, this instance being a good example of that.
Posted on 7/12/20 at 8:11 am to jimdog
A serious question here: Why did the police offer kneel of Floyd's neck for 8 minutes or however long it was. I know there were several other officers around. So how come Floyd wasn't already cuffed long before 8 minutes?
Posted on 7/12/20 at 8:12 am to ApexTiger
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told me he was tired of hearing that black people choose to be poor...
You should’ve told him you’re tired of hearing white liberals complain and make excuses for others.
Posted on 7/12/20 at 8:12 am to jimdog
The police interaction was a consequence of an action.
If Floyd doesn’t commit that action then there’s no interaction with the police.
Stop addressing symptoms like they are problems. Start addressing problems. Floyd was a criminal who’s crime resulted in his death. Period.
If Floyd doesn’t commit that action then there’s no interaction with the police.
Stop addressing symptoms like they are problems. Start addressing problems. Floyd was a criminal who’s crime resulted in his death. Period.
Posted on 7/12/20 at 8:15 am to lsu1919
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The police interaction was a consequence of an action.
If A causes B, then to prevent B from happening, don’t do A.
Posted on 7/12/20 at 8:17 am to lsu1919
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Stop addressing symptoms like they are problems. Start addressing problems. Floyd was a criminal who’s crime resulted in his death. Period.
Someone dying in police custody is a problem.
Posted on 7/12/20 at 8:21 am to davyjones
quote:That’s what the left is suggesting, especially in the Brooks case in Atlanta. After he fought with officers, took a taser, fired it at the cop twice as he was running. We are told the cops were just supposed to let him run away. So wouldn’t it be easier if the the cops just said yeah, since you don’t want to be arrested we’ll just let you go?
Nobody's supposed to let anybody go
Just so you know, I don’t agree with what happened with Floyd... at ALL. But at some point one has to take at least some responsibility for their actions.
This post was edited on 7/12/20 at 8:30 am
Posted on 7/12/20 at 8:25 am to davyjones
I believe there was an ambulance called and they were waiting on it when he died. Bad look for Cauvin is two fold. He seemingly ignored Lane's warning of possible risk of a certain panic induced (I think) heart attack by a restrained person. And he aggressively applied a knee for some extended period.
I wonder why Lane is being charged unless the prosecutors want him as a witness. But add not a legal pro to my not being a med pro.
I wonder why Lane is being charged unless the prosecutors want him as a witness. But add not a legal pro to my not being a med pro.
Posted on 7/12/20 at 8:26 am to griswold
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That’s what the left is suggesting
But we aren’t.
Just because Marxists are making stupid arguments about police doesn’t mean that anyone in police custody can be killed. You agree with that, I’m sure.
So what should’ve happened? First, Chauvin should’ve paid attention back in 2013 when he got additional training on prone restraint/ excited delirium. Secondly, he should’ve rolled Floyd onto his side. That’s literally all that needed to happen.
Some in-custody deaths will happen. But it gets very messy after that as you may have noticed. So following training and procedure is the way to stay safe.
This post was edited on 7/12/20 at 8:28 am
Posted on 7/12/20 at 8:29 am to griswold
Well of course the left is stupid for saying that. But that said, not wanting to be arrested shouldn't lead to the death of the arrestee, UNLESS the arrestee has a gun or is otherwise in a position to imminently kill anyone or cause anyone great bodily harm using some other dangerous weapon.
It's already a stacked deck in favor of these leftists.....the last thing we need is to provide them rocket fuel for their flames when it can be avoided.
It's already a stacked deck in favor of these leftists.....the last thing we need is to provide them rocket fuel for their flames when it can be avoided.
Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:02 am to MrLarson
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The man was killed in cold blood with no remorse by Chauvin.
This isn't true at all - or at least there is no evidence whatsoever of this.
Do the cops need more training? Sure. Dude said he couldn't breathe from the beginning. He didn't want to be in the car, so they ultimately gave up on that. He wanted to lie down, they let him lie down.
But "killed in cold blood"? Poppycock.
Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:07 am to davyjones
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I'd also add that Chauvin needed to address Floyd's medical complaints by starting medics to the scene.
Did you read the transcript? EMS was enroute before Chauvin ever placed a hand on Floyd.
Slow EMS response was as big a contributing factor as anything the cops did. Once called, cops don't have the option to "go away" - they found a dude in an altered state of consciousness who was ALSO suspected of a crime. He was under arrest, but they called EMS.
Maybe they need better/more comprehensive training. But this picture of Chauvin as indifferent to Floyd's situation is incomplete at best. He didn't make the decision to arrest Floyd (transcript has him confirming a couple of times, "He's under arrest?"). EMS was already enroute.
Everything took too long. Most of what happened was ultimately Floyd's responsibility, at the end of the day. I'm not suggesting in any way the cops acted perfectly, but it appears to have been a confusing, chaotic situation and they may have been poorly prepared for that specific set of circumstances.
Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:38 am to Possumslayer
The body cam transcript was released.
-They had him in the car when he begins his heart attack, the cops call an ambulance immediately. They sit him down on a curb, then he asks to lay down. They let him. He starts saying he can't breathe here (before anyone restrains him).
-The cops know the deal, and are even worried about the "excited delirium" that's about to take place (fentanyl overdose), and this is when Chauvin starts restraining him on the ground. Conveniently, this is when the filming brigade shows up and starts heckling.
- The rest is basically Floyd in his death throes and the cops waiting on the ambulance.
Honestly, I don’t think the cops did anything wrong.
-They had him in the car when he begins his heart attack, the cops call an ambulance immediately. They sit him down on a curb, then he asks to lay down. They let him. He starts saying he can't breathe here (before anyone restrains him).
-The cops know the deal, and are even worried about the "excited delirium" that's about to take place (fentanyl overdose), and this is when Chauvin starts restraining him on the ground. Conveniently, this is when the filming brigade shows up and starts heckling.
- The rest is basically Floyd in his death throes and the cops waiting on the ambulance.
Honestly, I don’t think the cops did anything wrong.
Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:39 am to PickupAutist
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his heart attack
It wasn’t a heart attack
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excited delirium" that's about to take place (fentanyl overdose
It wasn’t a fentanyl overdose either.
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