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re: Gen Z and Millennials are burnt out, not from working hard, but because they lack hope

Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:23 am to
Posted by southdowns84
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Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:23 am to
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Case in point.


Are you going to answer the question? Were you drafted in a war?

You rolled that emotional plea ITT, not me.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:23 am to
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My daughter was in med school in 2020. Was she supposed to buy a house then?
No.
And she'll have time for the market, rates, or both to resettle, before she does buy. Nothing necessitating "hopelessness" there.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:26 am to
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I’m not gonna co sign this.

Women typically don't marry down, especially professional women (and in the comparable 95-105, etc. cohort they're likely going to get degrees and be professionals).

IF that changes, then yeah you'll see more opportunities for those guys.

But the trends are still typically true. More people are going to college and getting college degrees today. Of that, women are taking a larger and larger portion of that college population, which expands at each level (degree, grad school, etc.)

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But probably just in certain circles - i.e. conservative Christian circles.

I can see the above not affecting more rural areas, but they have much lower populations (so a lower impact on the total).

Being from LA, I imagine our rural areas and the way we see them aren't like what you experience elsewhere. In many ways our rural areas are hell on earth, so I'm primed and biased for that reason.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:26 am to
They already bought. And then bought a rental. I’m not saying they’re hopeless. At all. She’s a physician (albeit still in residency). He’s an engineer. They’ll be fine. But they’ll also be an outlier on the income side.
Posted by southdowns84
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:27 am to
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No. And she'll have time for the market, rates, or both to resettle, before she does buy. Nothing necessitating "hopelessness" there.


The markets have never had to adjust to a demographic collapse.
Posted by Who_Dat_Tiger
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:28 am to
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I would lack hope, too, if I voted for morons like Biden and Harris. They have nothing to offer non-black, non pedophile, non-tranny, heterosexual people. Totally special interest group focused.
didnt Gen Z break for Trump in the past election? I know it did with males. There’s hope for them. There’s a rightward shift among youth. Whenever the rubber band gets pulled back so far as it has over the past 15 years with wokeism the rubber band always snaps back even harder.

From Grok on global youth voting patterns:
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A “Generation C” phenomenon—young people shaped by COVID’s crises—has fueled a swing toward conservative or anti-establishment parties. This is evident across the West, with young men leading the trend due to anti-feminist sentiments, online radicalization, and economic frustrations. Unlike older voters, youth often amplify volatility, boosting new or far-right parties.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:29 am to
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I can see the above not affecting more rural areas, but they have much lower populations (so a lower impact on the total).


I’m in St. Louis. I attend a megachurch. If you are a young male with a job, you’re a hot commodity.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:30 am to
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Are you going to answer the question?
There was no question. You shot off with that stupidity. Then you reacted to your own post.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
124809 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:33 am to
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market, rates, or both to resettle


There will be adjustments in the market and rates. If it’s earth shattering changes, there will be earth shattering consequences.

I think it’s obvious that there’s still a housing bubble. But I don’t have any idea of if it will ever actually burst.
Posted by southdowns84
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:33 am to
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Posted by NC_Tigah 9/19/25 at 5:40 pm to SlowFlowPro quote: People born around....1987 have seen some shite. Have they seen the draft?
Posted by southdowns84
Member since Dec 2009
1609 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:35 am to
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There was no question.


You asked it.
This post was edited on 9/20/25 at 8:36 am
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:35 am to
Have you faced a lot of difficulties because of climate change?
Posted by southdowns84
Member since Dec 2009
1609 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:36 am to
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Have you faced a lot of difficulties because of climate change?


Lol, no mostly murder.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
124809 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:43 am to
Good news. Crime is not a current issue in society. It was way worse back in the good old days.
Posted by southdowns84
Member since Dec 2009
1609 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:48 am to
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Good news. Crime is not a current issue in society. It was way worse back in the good old days.


Excellent.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135245 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:58 am to
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They’ll be fine. But they’ll also be an outlier on the income side.
Again, the market and environment is currently tight, 808. That is not really the point.

The OP article is focused primarily on Millennials, the youngest of whom are 30-somethings. Millennials had opportunities which they stereotypically shirked in exchange for social experiences. Home ownership, marriage, family were deemphasized. They were put off. They could could wait.

All of which sounds very different than your daughter's selected emphases.

This is obviously also an exercise in stereotypes which can turn into a real rabbithole. But if you are a Gen-Y 40-something who put those life-investments off, or otherwise made questionable choices in your 20's and 30's, and are now assessing the consequences, it might well feel a tad hopeless. Then again, those folks had fun experiences in youth, which your daughter probably chose to pass up.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/20/25 at 9:04 am to
Hmm. Ok. I appreciate the elucidation.

I think I buy the premise, at least partially.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135245 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 9:04 am to
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You asked it.
As a rhetorical. I also raised the Depression, the 1918 pandemic, WWI, WWII, and the Dust Bowl. Because those things may have left you equally confused, I'll be clear, I did not fight in WWI or experience the 1918 pandemic either. But other gens did.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/20/25 at 9:06 am to
Sucks to be mentally weak.
Posted by southdowns84
Member since Dec 2009
1609 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 9:08 am to
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As a rhetorical. I also raised the Depression, the 1918 pandemic, WWI, WWII, and the Dust Bowl. Because those things may have left you equally confused, I'll be clear, I did not fight in WWI or experience the 1918 pandemic either. But other gens


Thanks, just wanted to clarify.

I was being serious about the murder thing a few posts back. It’s been a problem in my life. Hope allowed me to escape it.
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