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re: Gen Z and Millennials are burnt out, not from working hard, but because they lack hope
Posted on 9/20/25 at 7:57 am to southdowns84
Posted on 9/20/25 at 7:57 am to southdowns84
There is an inverse relationship in the seriousness a person has to have this conversation and how personal they frame it.
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Posted on 9/20/25 at 7:59 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:As a single data point, yes. They are indeed high today.
median housing is unaffordable for median salaries
costs are higher today
Now then, back the clock up 5-10yrs (intragenerationally), when would-be first-time home buyers were seeking experiences rather than investment. Run housing cost numbers from that period. We've been over this time-and-time again. You know the answer.
Folks who chose urban lifestyle and social experiences had their moment of gratification. But now that the moment has passed, whining about the success of others who made different choices is unseemly.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:01 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
There is an inverse relationship in the seriousness a person has to have this conversation and how personal they frame it.
I was going to try to explain this point, but I didn’t know how to say it as concisely as this.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:02 am to southdowns84
quote:Are you illiterate?
Your understanding of college tuition costs is beyond dispute.
Seriously.
My understanding of the DRIVERS of that cost is what was being addressed nitwit.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:03 am to Audioman213
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Gonna get downvoted to hell but all those previous generations that talk about putting your head down, working hard at Company Z, and moving up in life gave outdated advice. You are alone and allegiance more often than not gets you nowhere.
This is relatively new though….especially in engineering and technology.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:03 am to NC_Tigah
I’m almost 64, and while I might not agree with the part about them working too hard, I can understand their feeling of hopelessness as it pertains to things around them, like the insane cost of everything.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:04 am to southdowns84
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But you’ve been drafted to fight a war,
quote:Yikes.
You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:06 am to NC_Tigah
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Are you illiterate? Seriously. My understanding of the DRIVERS of that cost is what was being addressed nitwit.
Big mad.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:06 am to NC_Tigah
Suck it up Buttercup.
Life is hard.
Life is hard.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:09 am to lsupride87
quote:
someone makes the obvious true statement young kids have it worse
I agree that young people have it worse. The fatalism is what I don’t understand. “Woe is me” is never a strategy.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:09 am to NC_Tigah
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Yikes.
Man, if you’ve been drafted in a war, I’ll shut up and see myself out.
If not, stop being so emotional.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:09 am to NC_Tigah
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Now then, back the clock up 5-10yrs
You mean this graph I posted on page 2?
Hell you can go back 15 years to the bottom of the post-2009 crash and still see the delta.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:11 am to southdowns84
quote:No.
Big mad.
Just limited in patience regarding vapid replies.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:13 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
No. Just limited in patience regarding vapid replies.
Lol.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:16 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Cost of home ownership relates to price and borrow rate.
You mean this graph I posted on page 2?
The fact that home value outstrips income indicates the error which experience-seekers made in shirking purchase when cost of ownership was affordable just a few years back.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:17 am to NC_Tigah
I really don’t understand this take. My daughter was in med school in 2020. Was she supposed to buy a house then?
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:18 am to the808bass
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The fatalism is what I don’t understand. “Woe is me” is never a strategy.
I understand that, but what can your average guys do? I mean the 95-105 IQs who come from decent households without major trauma imprinted on them. Average looking, etc.
Economically, they're fricked. The one primary vehicle to changing that is a potentially life-destroying gamble (college with tuition costs). They could go the trade route and segregate themselves socially moving forward, but that's a major choice in itself (and has major impacts on the dating/partner selection category).
Prices on everything continue to rise, especially hallmarks like housing. They have absolutely no way to control this.
Dating/love/partner selection is absolutely fricked. If they are outliers and get an opportunity, it's likely to be with a girl well below their station who brings all sorts of risks.
They have no control in a world where living at a median level seems like unaffordable, unattainable luxury.
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:18 am to southdowns84
quote:
But you’ve been drafted to fight a war
quote:Case in point.
Man, if you’ve been drafted in a war
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:20 am to NC_Tigah
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Cost of home ownership relates to price and borrow rate.
We are just talking about price.
The cost of home ownership has also increased in kind, which makes your argument weaker, just FWIW.
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when cost of ownership was affordable just a few years back.
The 90s?
Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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They could go the trade route and segregate themselves socially moving forward, but that's a major choice in itself (and has major impacts on the dating/partner selection category).
I’m not gonna co sign this.
quote:
Dating/love/partner selection is absolutely fricked. If they are outliers and get an opportunity, it's likely to be with a girl well below their station who brings all sorts of risks.
I think the pendulum might be swinging back a bit on this. But probably just in certain circles - i.e. conservative Christian circles.
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