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re: Fulton County Elections Strike Again

Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:11 pm to
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:11 pm to
It’s hard to syphon votes when you can’t win the primary. I also disagree with your premise outright. Most people voting R have absolutely no idea about the stuff between Kemp and Trump and the 2020 election. As Petti said it’s easy to advocate for a riskier candidate when you’re playing with house money and don’t have to live with the outcome of they fail. Kemp is seen pretty favorable in GA mostly because of his approach to Covid. I’m absolutely not willing to risk Stacy winning by advocating for or supporting an alternative R candidate. We will have 4 years after he wins to find an actually viable candidate with MAGA values.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:12 pm to
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Complete BS! And you, Petti, Know it!



Not at all, I 100% believe everything I said.

Do I think you'd enjoy a victory lap if Abrams beats Kemp despite what it means for our families? Yes. As mentioned, and as you've all said repeatedly, we deserve it, etc.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:14 pm to
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It’s hard to syphon votes when you can’t win the primary. I also disagree with your premise outright. Most people voting R have absolutely no idea about the stuff between Kemp and Trump and the 2020 election. As Petti said it’s easy to advocate for a riskier candidate when you’re playing with house money and don’t have to live with the outcome of they fail. Kemp is seen pretty favorable in GA mostly because of his approach to Covid. I’m absolutely not willing to risk Stacy winning by advocating for or supporting an alternative R candidate. We will have 4 years after he wins to find an actually viable candidate with MAGA values.



While I generally like Kemp, I'm guessing you're like me and don't really care so long as Abrams loses in November.

I'm actually very thankful that Trump didn't give us a more out there candidate to put up against Kemp. First, because it provides higher contrast with Kemp which if you think Kemp's the most viable, is bad. Second, because in my mind even if Perdue won, he's boring and known enough he might still be able to beat Stacy.

But, I 100% agree (and lots of Georgians appear to) - we have no interest in some bloodbath turf war to replace one allegedly GOPe guy with another.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53465 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:15 pm to
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Kemp is doing all of that. DeSantis is doing it. Both have made far more tangible impacts on those things than Trump.


Another lie. Without Trump, none of this was on the GOPe map.

TRUMP put in 1776. TRUMP pushed people to take over School boards. Why Lie Petti?


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The reality is that Kemp is MAGA in almost every way


NO he isn't.

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You/JJdoc - You don't care about any of the policy issues we're talking about (at least applied to GA). Deep down you prefer Abrams win over Kemp because it validates Trump,


Liar


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and he's your priority.


Liar.


It's about election integrity and having it nation wide. Without it, you don't have a voice.




Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
59825 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:19 pm to
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Great... the big gap toothed behemoth will take over local election boards....that will work out for democracy...


Not that I think it'll come to this, but in the nightmare scenario of Gapzilla getting installed as governor, the level of gridlock from the General Assembly/SOS office would be the stuff of legend.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56472 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:24 pm to
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You/JJdoc - You don't care about any of the policy issues we're talking about (at least applied to GA).



It's totally untrue. As stated, 100% of the grass roots work at school boards is being done by MAGA volunteers...same for election integrity efforts.

However, without election integrity, none of it matters. So, it's a red line issue. And, you fall on the wrong side of the red line.

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Deep down you prefer Abrams win over Kemp because it validates Trump


This is so far off from reality. You are truly insane. If Kemp were promoting election integrity and investigations into 2020 to fix the fraudulent system, I'd have no issue with Kemp. I certainly don't object to the policy issues you brought up. They perfectly align with mine. When you have to rationalize why people disagree with you instead of listening to their very specific and clear reasoning, the problem is with you.

This isn't about Trump except that Trump's #1 issue is election integrity as it should be.

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Trump voting Georgians for Kemp - They may or may not think Kemp botched the election, but they think he governs conservatively/MAGAly/whatever. So they're voting for practical reasons or self interest and they have a stake in this state.


You are in for a very disappointing summer and fall if Kemp wins the primary. There's going to be a campaign against Kemp from the left, and from the right. There will be no enthusiasm. You are going to feel helpless. This is obvious to me and I'm way on the outside. I know you've been warned over and over and over again. You refused to consider it.

As it relates to the health of this country, Kemp and Abrams are the same and result in the same damage. Frankly, Abrams may be better because of the opposition she would face from within Georgia from people like yourself who can't see the same dangers she poses in Kemp. Maybe she'd just be impotent.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:25 pm to
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TRUMP put in 1776. TRUMP pushed people to take over School boards. Why Lie Petti?



You think Trump started the war on CRT? It was underway and flourishing well before Trump even got involved. Don't attribute to Trump what people on the ground led by Lindsay or Rufo were doing.

DeSantis has done more for the national discussion than Trump 100 fold. Trump will never get into the weeds on this stuff. I welcome him as an ambassador, but he's never going to stand at the podium and lay waste to woke reporters on the subject matter. He's not interested nor capable of doing so.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
22844 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:26 pm to
He’s not lying…. Kemp has addressed a lot of these things in various ways, including election fortifications in the state of GA. He has been overall a net positive for the residents in GA.

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Petti


Yes I don’t really care as long as Stacy doesn’t win and no one other than Kemp can beat her.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56472 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:26 pm to
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It’s hard to syphon votes when you can’t win the primary. I also disagree with your premise outright. Most people voting R have absolutely no idea about the stuff between Kemp and Trump and the 2020 election. As Petti said it’s easy to advocate for a riskier candidate when you’re playing with house money and don’t have to live with the outcome of they fail. Kemp is seen pretty favorable in GA mostly because of his approach to Covid. I’m absolutely not willing to risk Stacy winning by advocating for or supporting an alternative R candidate. We will have 4 years after he wins to find an actually viable candidate with MAGA values.



I don't know if you are completely ignorant or if this is intentional misleading in an attempt to convince others that Kemp can win.

It is my opinion that there is no scenario where MAGA patriots vote for Kemp. None.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:29 pm to
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You are in for a very disappointing summer and fall if Kemp wins the primary. There's going to be a campaign against Kemp from the left, and from the right. There will be no enthusiasm. You are going to feel helpless. This is obvious to me and I'm way on the outside. I know you've been warned over and over and over again. You refused to consider it.



In other words, "no we don't want to punish you, but yes if you don't vote Perdue and we don't get our way with our Trump-endorsed candidate, we're going to fight hard to make sure you're stuck with Stacy."

You and JJDoc can dress up your loyalties however you want. But the point remains. You're playing with someone else's money out of loyalty to Trump. If that means Georgia families have to take it on the chin for Trump's vindication - you're fine with it. In fact, per the above, you'll work to ensure it.
Posted by Pettifogger
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79189 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:29 pm to
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It is my opinion that there is no scenario where MAGA patriots vote for Kemp. None.



Who do you think are the people who voted for Trump 2x, will vote for Hice and are still voting for Kemp, exactly?
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
22844 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:31 pm to
I don’t know how many more ways there are of saying this; most people in GA don’t even know about the Kemp Trump 2020 stuff and those I know that do either don’t believe it or don’t care enough to tank our state by handing it to Stacy. Kemp is popular in GA. Biden’s numbers are in the gutter, and any D running is hitched to them plus the issues they reflect people care about the most; inflation and economy, gas, shortages, immigration. Kemp will beat Stacy. Others might but might not.
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 12:33 pm
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56472 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:33 pm to
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Do I think you'd enjoy a victory lap if Abrams beats Kemp despite what it means for our families?


You will have earned it. I don't know why you would blame someone who doesn't even vote in Georgia for your own failure.

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As mentioned, and as you've all said repeatedly, we deserve it, etc.


Do you not agree that if things turn out to happen the way that you have been warned, that you (Georgia GOP voters) would have earned it?

I keep having to remind myself that you are just a different political breed than the modern Republican.

In my world, George W. Bush is a cancer. In your world, he's campaigning for your candidate. In my world, Chris Christie is a punchline. In your world, he's campaigning for your candidate. In my world, when the Democrat is organizing crossover votes in the primary so that the candidate doesn't have to face a runoff, it's a pretty sure sign that said candidate has major problems.

On a national scale, this country needs fair elections in Georgia because Georgia is important. But, at the end of the day, only Georgia can do its duty on that issue.

Frankly, people like JJDOC and myself are probably giving Georgia Republicans too much credit in that we're hoping all is not already lost. In reality, it probably already is.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47575 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:35 pm to
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Went to early vote Friday. My Dominion ballot had me in the wrong US Congressional district.


Did your district lines recently change?
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53465 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:36 pm to
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DeSantis has done more for the national discussion than Trump 100 fold. Trump will never get into the weeds on this stuff.


Again.. can't be honest to save your life. You did this in another thread and left it when I linked Trump going off on Transgender men competing in women's sports etc...

the fact that you can say with some sort of twistedness that Trump will never "weed into" is pure comedy. When has Trump ever not "weeded into" something?


LOL!!!

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Don't attribute to Trump


Trump... 1776. WOW!
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
22844 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:36 pm to
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Different breed than a modern Republican


So because we don’t want to torpedo our homes by taking an insane gamble at installing an insane person as gov, which absolutely will have national implications at a national level when she identity politics her fat arse into a presidential nom, we are a “different breed?”
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56472 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:36 pm to
quote:

You think Trump started the war on CRT? It was underway and flourishing well before Trump even got involved. Don't attribute to Trump what people on the ground led by Lindsay or Rufo were doing.

DeSantis has done more for the national discussion than Trump 100 fold. Trump will never get into the weeds on this stuff. I welcome him as an ambassador, but he's never going to stand at the podium and lay waste to woke reporters on the subject matter. He's not interested nor capable of doing so.




You are obsessed with Trump. The primary issue should be election integrity, America first foreign and domestic policy, and continued takeover of local school and election boards.

Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53465 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:38 pm to
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He’s not lying…. Kemp has addressed a lot of these things in various ways, including election fortifications in the state of GA. He has been overall a net positive for the residents in GA.



He is lying. And he knows it.


Sorry.. Election integrity and the failed election was on his watch. He did nothing to address it. Then used the GBI against True the Vote and doxed them to the AJC.

somethings are not forgivable. It would be the same if he stated came out against Free Speech. Not forgivable.

Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
22844 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:40 pm to
You’re certainly welcome to your opinion. I would’ve liked to see Kemp take a different route on that issue as well. At the end of the day it’ll be for nought though. Kemp will be the governor of GA again.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79189 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:42 pm to
Do I think we deserve it if we don't do what outside, Trump-first non-Georgians tell us to do without question?

I mean, is that a real question?

I don't like GWB. I don't like Trump as a person. I definitely don't like Chris Christie. In my world, I'd live in a semi-theocratic state where people like you who are blood loyal to flawed non-christian politicians probably wouldn't elect to live (and I support your decision to look elsewhere). Abortion is criminalized in my world. My ideal state is inhospitable both to those who would ingratiate themselves to a largely substance-less personality-driven movement (MAGA-ism) or to wokeness or progressivism.

Alas, it doesn't exist, yet. But I'm also not interested in burning what does exist down for your slight variation on the world I do inhabit, which offers few real advantages and plenty of risk for near-term loss for my family. That's pretty much as candid as I can get.
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