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re: Fully Vaccinated Australians In Hospital For COVID-19 Surpass Unvaccinated
Posted on 1/15/22 at 12:14 am to deathvalleytiger10
Posted on 1/15/22 at 12:14 am to deathvalleytiger10
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That said, Omicron could end this all for those unvaccinated and getting natural immunity. The jury is still out on those that are vaccinated.
How do you think that works? If Omicron is infecting unvaccinated and vaccinated alike, why would it confer immunity only onto the unvaccinated?
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Posted on 1/15/22 at 12:15 am to MikeTheTiger71
What he probably means is the vaccine is still going to kill us. 
Posted on 1/15/22 at 12:18 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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What he probably means is the vaccine is still going to kill us.
Well, there is that.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 12:20 am to deathvalleytiger10
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We could he 100% vaccinated, boosted, and a 4th shot and the virus would still do exactly what it is doing today.
Based on what?
It’s a real head-scratcher, such a speculative group demanding to deal in absolutes.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 7:10 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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If that’s helping regain some semblance of normalcy and a statistically optimal position, versus that of pre-vaccine/therapeutic/whatever you want to call it, then yes, I’d say it’s “working.”
Your definition of normalcy and mine are completely different. We aren't even in the same stratosphere of normalcy anymore.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 7:19 am to FlexDawg
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First vaccine ever that still allows people to catch what they were vaccinated for, get sick, and go to the hospital.
I thought the “vaccines” worked? Either they work or they don’t. Anything in-between is a therapeutic.
Do you understand that there is not a 100 percent effective vaccine?
I think measles vaccine is very effective but even that one is not 100 percent.
So it is a normal vaccine. Any vaccine we have allows for people to get infected, be hospitalized, and even die. There is no perfect vaccine.
The covid vaccine makes you I believe it said 7 times less likely to be hospitalized and 13 times less likely to be placed in icu. That's pretty beneficial.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 7:32 am to thetempleowl
quote:By preventing infection. Once you’re infected, the outcomes are very similar, statistically.
The covid vaccine makes you I believe it said 7 times less likely to be hospitalized and 13 times less likely to be placed in icu.
This post was edited on 1/15/22 at 7:32 am
Posted on 1/15/22 at 7:33 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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We aren't even in the same stratosphere of normalcy anymore.
Yep. Weirdos wearing masks driving in their cars alone.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 7:35 am to MikeTheTiger71
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What part of the unvaccinated being 6 times more likely to be hospitalized and 13 times more likely to end up in the ICU do you not understand?
You should have kept reading after that lol.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 7:36 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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Patently and categorically false.
If it were, then you could prove it.
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Depends on your definition of “worked.” If that’s helping regain some semblance of normalcy and a statistically optimal position, versus that of pre-vaccine/therapeutic/whatever you want to call it, then yes, I’d say it’s “working.” If that’s, in a year’s time, sub 100% efficacy’s complete eradication of a highly contagious global virus we’ve known for two years was going to mutate, and likely reinfect, then no, I don’t suppose it’s “working.”
Long way to say it doesn’t work. Parroting bogus fake news talking points isn’t helping your case.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 7:37 am to MikeTheTiger71
I would of liked them to separate the truly unvaccinated from the ones that have only one vaccine. Then you would get a better picture of what is really going on. The fact that they have to say that you are not fully vaccinated unless you have two shots tells me they are hiding the fact that the vaccine doesn't work. By adding the once vaccinated into the group of unvaccinated alters the percentages. This is how they lie.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 7:52 am to thetempleowl
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Do you understand that there is not a 100 percent effective vaccine?
I think measles vaccine is very effective but even that one is not 100 percent.
So it is a normal vaccine. Any vaccine we have allows for people to get infected, be hospitalized, and even die. There is no perfect vaccine.
The covid vaccine makes you I believe it said 7 times less likely to be hospitalized and 13 times less likely to be placed in icu. That's pretty beneficial.
Do you understand that you pulled that out of your arse?
Throughout history, when a perfect non-leaky vaccine has been introduced to a population, cases drop dramatically. Covid “vaccines” do not drop cases because they do not prevent reinfection and transmission. The darpa documents from DOD are even quoted as saying mRNA vaccines work poorly because they are synthetic replications of the already synthetic sarscov2 spike proteins and posses no other epitopes. There’s a reason scientists have tried and failed to create a coronavirus vaccine in the past: WHAT ARE THE OBSTACLES TO A CORONAVIRUS VACCINE? LINK
One barrier to a COVID-19 vaccine may be that natural immunity to coronaviruses seems to be short-lived, Scientific American reported.
Most vaccines work by stimulating the body to produce antibodies that fight off later infections. In the case of coronaviruses, this immunity just doesn’t last, according to the publication.
In fact, in animal tests of prospective SARS and MERS vaccines, some animals could be reinfected by the same strain that caused the initial infection, Scientific American reports.
“People think, ‘Oh, if you make antibodies to it, it’s going to be protective,’” said Rachel Roper, a professor of immunology at East Carolina University, New York Magazine reported.
“That’s not necessarily true,” said Roper, who helped work on a possible SARS vaccine. “We were able to induce an immune response, but it wasn’t good enough to really protect against the disease.”
Oh, here’s some proof you were talking out of your arse about measles: LINK “He said that the world needs "to be careful that we don't assume that we are going to have a vaccine for this disease as we have had for, let's say measles, which once you have it you're protected for life."
This post was edited on 1/15/22 at 7:55 am
Posted on 1/15/22 at 7:54 am to FlexDawg
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You should have kept reading after that lol.
I did. This was the most relevant data point on the effectiveness of the vaccine.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 7:56 am to MikeTheTiger71
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I did. This was the most relevant data point on the effectiveness of the vaccine.
“This is considering that the number of unvaccinated patients appears to be over-represented in the figures”
Posted on 1/15/22 at 7:59 am to Born to be a Tiger1
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I would of liked them to separate the truly unvaccinated from the ones that have only one vaccine
The article states 68.9% were vaccinated and 28.8% were unvaccinated. That’s less than 100%, which means they did separate those with one shot into a separate category. It was just too small to derive any useful information.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 8:03 am to FlexDawg
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“This is considering that the number of unvaccinated patients appears to be over-represented in the figures”
You clearly don’t understand that statement if you think it’s a gotcha of some kind. It means the same thing as the data I quoted. Less than 29% of the population is unvaccinated, so less than 29% of people hospitalized with the virus would be unvaccinated if the vaccine weren’t helping people stay out of the hospital. That’s what the 6 times more likely stat means.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 8:05 am to FlexDawg
I feel no sympathy for any of them. They knew the risks when they took the poison.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 8:10 am to thetempleowl
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Do you understand that there is not a 100 percent effective vaccine?
I think measles vaccine is very effective but even that one is not 100 percent.
It's very close to 100%. The Small Pox vaccine is, too, as that disease has been entirely eradicated from the developed world. It's so effective people born after a certain year never had to get the shot.
The Covid-19 "vaccine" is not effective at all. You still get sick and you still get hospitalized, even with the jab and booster shot.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 8:11 am to FlexDawg
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Australia does not permit alternative treatment approaches utilised and available in other countries, such as ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.
There it is. The rest is he said-she said. The fact that they disallow therapeutics that have proven for decades to be safe - relative effectiveness re Covid nws - speaks to the politicization of the whole thing.
We've suspected and known this all along. It's ALL ABOUT CONTROL. Fake 'compassion', they don't give a damn about people dying.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 8:11 am to FlexDawg
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First vaccine ever that still allows people to catch what they were vaccinated for, get sick, and go to the hospital.
Damn you are a dummy
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