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re: Full breakdown of the new January 6th report

Posted on 5/19/26 at 8:10 am to
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 8:10 am to
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Emotional-irrational MAGA types who had both of those aspects of their mental state manipulated by people who promoted a dishonest theory about the ability to stop the certification of the 2020 election. These emotional irrational types were whipped into a frenzy and acted in kind


holy shite
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 8:19 am to
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Emotional-irrational MAGA types who had both of those aspects of their mental state manipulated by people who promoted a dishonest theory about the ability to stop the certification of the 2020 election. These emotional irrational types were whipped into a frenzy and acted in kind
In other words, you're a lemming, which is surprising.
Posted by KiwiHead
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 8:21 am to
I don't think they went specifically to "overthrow" the government. But their actions show they went with malicious intent. These were not children but grown adults. They could have stopped at the steps of the Capitol but they pushed forward engaging police who were there to perform a legal activity. They assaulted police officers, then proceeded to the doors and banged on them, then they proceeded to break windows and got in. Hundreds got in. Whether they were "instigated" , whether their emotions were raw, does not excuse nor mitigate the fact that they were unlawfully trespassing at that point.

There is no hard or even senisoft evidence to prove that there were paid instigators from the FBI or any other organization. They went to cause as much mayhem as possible, and did.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 8:27 am to
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In other words, you're a lemming,


How?

As even the people who support the insanity of that mob try to do it by claiming it was agent provocateurs that caused their insanity, right?

The only variable change that we are discussing is who riled up the mob. The 26 FBI informants or the hundreds of organizers who had already promoted these talking points and emotional influences in the mob prior to January 6th even happening.

I think it's clear who influenced the mob more, but I'm willing to listen how 26 informants over a crowd of tens of thousands of people had that sort of impact.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 8:39 am to
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How?
I don't know how. It's mystifying how someone who prides himself on being logical turns out to be a lemming.

The photograph I posted is iconic. It has appeared on the Internet thousands of times. Further, there were cameras located all over the capitol grounds and complex. The FBI malignantly pursued J6 trespassers nationwide. They cast thousands of agents to that purpose. So certainly they identified all the members in that photograph and prosecuted them. Certainly with your access to legal information, and immense knowledge of the fairness of the J6 prosecutions, you can name the nine individuals central to that shot, and tell us their prosecutorial fates.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 8:47 am to
See SFP, the problem is not that you don't know who those individuals are. The problem is not that many or all of those individuals have never been publicly identified. The problem is you didn't think to ask the question before coming to the lemming's conclusion that you did.
This post was edited on 5/19/26 at 8:49 am
Posted by Good Times
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 10:16 am to
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But their actions show they went with malicious intent


You don’t know that.


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whether their emotions were raw, does not excuse nor mitigate the fact that they were unlawfully trespassing at that point.


I agree with this statement in general. It does not, however, sort out the accountability of the actions of that day. The ”implants” actions versus the Trump supporters will be better analysis with the release of all of the evidence.


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They went to cause as much mayhem as possible, and did.


More speculation on your part.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 11:14 am to
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But their actions show they went with malicious intent.
Maliciously abiding rope lines ...



Maliciously escorted into the Senate well by Capitol Hill Police ...



Maliciously taking selfies with CHP ...


Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 11:42 am to
It's not speculation the actions prove it out. Once they engaged the police it becomes self evident.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 11:53 am to
Were they supposed to be there? Did they break in by banging on the doors? Were there broken windows and people climbing through? Whatever they did by adherence to the rope lines is irrelevant to the actions taken prior to whatever they did or did not do once they were inside.

The police and security took actions to mitigate damage and mayhem once the protestors were inside. This was not some tour that was misunderstood. You can attempt to spin it any way you want, but the reality was that they were not allowed to be there that day and they broke in.

The whole thing could have been dealt with differently in the aftermath but that is irrelevant to the facts of the day.

Stick to medical stuff .
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 2:33 pm to
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The whole thing could have been dealt with differently in the aftermath
No kidding!

But the aftermath was not where things should have been "dealt with." Things should have been dealt with in the weeks-long run up, as Trump requested.

Pelosi and her corrupt cronies got exactly what they wanted. Her office had security stand down and requests for reinforcements. You mentioned "Banging on the doors." But those doors could not be breached without being unlocked. The locks are magnetic and remotely located.The capitol building doors were opened somehow. Still unanswered as far as I know, is who opened them?

The verifiably false story about the death of Officer Brian Sicknick was propagandized for months. His body was laid in state in the capitol rotunda as if he were martyred on J6. It was a flat out absurdity.

Verifiably false testimony was given to Congress about everything from the responses of President Trump to Nancy Pelosi on J6. False testimony was given by Capitol Hill policeman and others. That was a national disgrace.

Inert pipe bombs were placed, by whom we still don't know. But we do know that the response at the scene indicated straight away that officers, FBI, and other responders were NEVER concerned about them even before they were inspected. We know that because the responses were recorded on security cameras in real time. Responders were beyond lackadaisical. Pedestrians were allowed to continue to walk on the sidewalk within feet of the supposed pipe bombs even after their discovery. That is not the behavior of a team concerned about an IED. It is the behavior of a team that knew beforehand that there was no real danger. The question is "how did they know?"

We know, iconic photographs were taken of "barbarians scaling the walls of the capital building." Yet, to my knowledge, none of those in the photograph were publicly identified, or prosecuted. Considering the extent of the FBI nationwide J6 investigations, that is almost inconceivably odd. The rational conclusion, one would draw is that those photographs were staged, and investigators were aware.

The saga of Ray Epps is very similar. He was one of the most prominent instigators, urging crowds to trespass. Yet there was no initial will to prosecute the man, and when he was finally prosecuted due to immense public pressure, he never served one minute in jail. Not one! Contrast that with the monstrous treatment of people who were little more than curiosity seekers walking onto Capitol grounds, to see what was going on and take a few selfies.

So when you say "The whole thing could have been dealt with differently in the aftermath," it is a massive understatement.

Likewise, the investigation differential between the "summer of love" riots and J6 was stunning. The summer of love" riots caused more damage, including arson of historic structures adjacent to the White House. The perpetrators were identifiable. What happened?

The cornering of Senator Rand Paul and his wife after a White House event should have resulted in a huge number of arrests. Unlike J6, that actually was a real threat to a sitting senator. It was caught on film. The perpetrators were identifiable. What happened?

So when you belittle the new January 6 report, you need to think about what you're actually doing.
This post was edited on 5/19/26 at 2:35 pm
Posted by Good Times
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 3:06 pm to
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t. Once they engaged the police it becomes self evident.


Let all the video evidence be matched with individual ID, then a lot will become “self evident”.

Until then, I’m done with your speculations.
Posted by tigersmanager
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 3:08 pm to
all democrats do is lie
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 3:11 pm to
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It's not speculation the actions prove it out.
"The actions" indeed.
One post above yours.





That is not to dismiss violent participants, but those pictured were viciously prosecuted, and jailed as if they were violent rioters.
This post was edited on 5/19/26 at 3:12 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 3:24 pm to
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So certainly they identified all the members in that photograph


I located the fallacy upon which your dishonest question is built, FYI

The only people arguing that assumption occurred are being dishonest about J6.

Note: I reject that assumption, so it's not me.
This post was edited on 5/19/26 at 3:25 pm
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