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Fred Reed- Slavery was bad, hideous, but the north has a false sense of moral superiority
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:02 am
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:02 am
Fun with Slavery: Dark Spots in a Shining Sea of Twaddle
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First, slavery was always bad, frequently hideous, much worse in the Deep South than in Tidewater or New York, and consequent to the same desire for cheap labor that now results in importing Mexicans and exporting jobs to China. Any notion that abuses were rare or exaggerated is twaddle.
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the slave trade being phenomenally profitable, much like the drug trade today, many were involved who today choose to forget this: Yankees, Arabs, Jews, Quakers, and Southerners. It was strongly defended by many Christians in the South, and attacked by Christians in the North, who had no financial stake in it. Yankees owned slaves and, in the draft riots in New York in 1863, lynched and burned them alive. In this world angels are few on the ground. The North now simply lies about it.
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many today would say that Southerners deserved their problems, having brought them on themselves by enslaving blacks. But of course they did not. By 1861 most were born into a slaveholding society. Most were not enthusiastic about it, but had little idea what to do.
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freeing the slaves was an easy solution if you didn’t have the problem. If you were a planter with a wife and three little girls, would you give up your house and subject your family to poverty, rape, robbery, and revenge from blacks? I am not asking whether you think they should have done it, but whether in the circumstances you would do it. Another way of putting it: For what moral cause would you, today, give up your job, house, and investments, and step on the sidewalk with your family?
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controversy, usually witless, persists over whether the South fought to preserve slavery. The usual approach is to quote Southern planters, politicians, and newspapers as to the sacred quality of the peculiar institution and how God liked it. QED.
But of course these were the slave-owners, the rich, and their hangers on. They favored slavery for the same reason American businesses favor remote wars in Afghanistan: they make money at it. People do not fight bloody wars over years for the benefit of people that, after the war, they will have no desire to associate with. If you had asked a thousand Confederate infantrymen why they were fighting, do you think they would have said, “I’m fighting and dying and seeing my friends screaming gutshot so that rich bastards can own slaves while I live in a shack?”
You, the reader, probably do not favor mistreatment of women and girls. Would you favor fighting a war in Afghanistan in which America would lose over six and a half million dead–proportionately to population, what the country lost in the Civil War–to impose civil rights for women in Afghanistan?
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:07 am to TrueTiger
I'll allow it.
The general population knows very little beyond the narrative. Racism was everywhere at that time.
The general population knows very little beyond the narrative. Racism was everywhere at that time.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:09 am to TrueTiger
Yep. The North just so happened to not need slaves due to their manufacturing industry in large cities. It doesn't mean that they didn't discrimate at all. Irish, Italians, and all Catholics and races of many kinds were shown prejudice.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:13 am to TrueTiger
Some interesting stuff but he lost me here:
Kinda let his mask slip a bit there. Makes me question his other conclusions.
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Seventh, Southerners believed that they knew the Negroes and that they could not function as equals of whites and thus would destroy society [...] Today, a century and a half after the Civil War, the Southerners seem to have been right.
Kinda let his mask slip a bit there. Makes me question his other conclusions.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:15 am to TrueTiger
Slavery in our country began when a Dutch ship's captain sold a boatload of slaves in New York. The Yankees began the institution of slavery then started a war with the South to end it. Typical liberal POSs.
Interestingly, after the Civil War many former slaves stayed at their plantations and sharecropped. so, how bad was it, really? Certainly not terrible everywhere in the south.
Interestingly, after the Civil War many former slaves stayed at their plantations and sharecropped. so, how bad was it, really? Certainly not terrible everywhere in the south.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 9:16 am
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:16 am to Deuces
And most of the ships that transported all the cargo during the slave trade were owned by northerners
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:20 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
He covers that too:
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edited out of history for an American public with a bumper-sticker mind is that slavery was a product of the North. Slave ships in hundreds left from New York, Rhode Island, and Connecticut for Africa.
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The North had tens of thousands of slaves itself. It not infrequently burned blacks alive, connived at the kidnapping of free blacks to sell to the South, returned runaway slaves. When abolition-minded whites set up schools for blacks, Northern mobs attacked them and Northern courts refused to do anything about it.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 9:21 am
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:23 am to DaGarun
He mentions the results that lay now before our very eyes, if one dare look:
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You, the reader, probably live (as I long did) in a society in which millions of blacks live pointless lives, shooting each other in decaying cities with horrible schools. If you are a Yankee of the usual intolerable virtue, as so many are, note that blacks suffer these awful conditions chiefly in Southern cities such as Trenton, Newark, Camden, Philadelphia, New York, Detroit, Chicago, Flint, Gary, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Baltimore, and Washington DC. What have you done about it–other than, perhaps, talk?
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:25 am to TrueTiger
Part of their sense of superiority now is that whites from the south continue to be "racist" in comparison to northern whites.
Then you look at the demographics and how little actua race-mixing occurs in most northern states, and you just have to laugh.
Oh, you live in Madison, Wi and you're not as racist as someone from Baton Rouge? Congratulations.
Then you look at the demographics and how little actua race-mixing occurs in most northern states, and you just have to laugh.
Oh, you live in Madison, Wi and you're not as racist as someone from Baton Rouge? Congratulations.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:28 am to TrueTiger
This is consistent with all my rebuttals of the WhiskeyPaPa's who love to 'virtue signal' by besmirching the ordinary people of the confederacy.
The one question they will never answer is 'If you had been born in the south at the time of the Civil War, which side would you have been on?"
The north could have ended slavery by just not purchasing the cotton from the south.
I have utmost admiration for the character and courage of my ancestors who fought in the CSA army. But I am glad they lost the war. I wish the war had not happened. But I will not let go unchallenged the allegation that they were dishonorable people.
The one question they will never answer is 'If you had been born in the south at the time of the Civil War, which side would you have been on?"
The north could have ended slavery by just not purchasing the cotton from the south.
I have utmost admiration for the character and courage of my ancestors who fought in the CSA army. But I am glad they lost the war. I wish the war had not happened. But I will not let go unchallenged the allegation that they were dishonorable people.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:36 am to mofungoo
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how bad was it, really?
hideous actually, check the links in his 2nd paragraph
he does not sweep this under the carpet
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:39 am to TrueTiger
The war began not as an effort to abolish slavery, but as an effort to keep the union together.
It's that simple, but some want to assign the cause to something more noble so they tell us the war was fought over slavery when it was not.
It's that simple, but some want to assign the cause to something more noble so they tell us the war was fought over slavery when it was not.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:42 am to TrueTiger
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if you are a Yankee of the usual intolerable virtue, as so many are,
What the frick is this shite
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:42 am to TrueTiger
President Lincoln's call for 75,000 volunteers on 4/15/61 to suppress the rebellion was filled to overflowing by men anxious to preserve the government bequeathed to us by the founding fathers.
That makes them morally superior to the secesh scum.
That makes them morally superior to the secesh scum.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:46 am to doubleb
The -cause- of the war was clearly a perceived threat to the institution of slavery that was seen by the Slave Power.
The election of Lincoln showed that their chokehold on progress was slipping. And the war came.
The election of Lincoln showed that their chokehold on progress was slipping. And the war came.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 9:51 am
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:49 am to WhiskeyPapa
The term "Slave Power" was used during the civil war era. Its pernicious influence was finally crushed out by the people of this country.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 9:58 am
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:50 am to TrueTiger
The north is more racist than the south.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:56 am to WhiskeyPapa
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the Slave Power.
a collection of very wealthy, north and south
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:58 am to TrueTiger
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If you are a Yankee of the usual intolerable virtue, as so many are, note that blacks suffer these awful conditions chiefly in Southern cities such as Trenton, Newark, Camden, Philadelphia, New York, Detroit, Chicago, Flint, Gary, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Baltimore, and Washington DC. What have you done about it–other than, perhaps, talk?
This. Unspoken, soft racism is so rampant in the North even John Oliver can see it.
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