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Founding Fathers to Michael Shaara and this current Forth Turning
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:33 pm
Burning Platform -Rise to Rebellion in the forth turning
pretty well written article summing up where we are in this Forth Turning...
pretty well written article summing up where we are in this Forth Turning...
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Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:34 pm to ScottFowler
TLDR
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:49 pm to ScottFowler
Can we get the cliffs notes?
Posted on 5/10/23 at 2:50 am to ScottFowler
What is a fourth turning?
Posted on 5/10/23 at 2:59 am to POTUS2024
quote:
What is a fourth turning?
quote:
First comes a High, a period of confident expansion as a new order takes root after the old has been swept away. Next comes an Awakening, a time of spiritual exploration and rebellion against the now-established order. Then comes an Unraveling, an increasingly troubled era in which individualism triumphs over crumbling institutions. Last comes a Crisis - the Fourth Turning - when society passes through a great and perilous gate in history. Together, the four turnings comprise history's seasonal rhythm of growth, maturation, entropy, and rebirth.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:01 am to BRgetthenet
My gosh, I don’t feel like I’m going to be able to live long enough to see the good times on that timeline it would seem.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:04 am to POTUS2024
quote:
What is a fourth turning?
The zombie apocalypse we are now experiencing.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:56 am to ScottFowler
Ok, I read it - here is my synopsis.
- Technology changes, it does not advance humans, it only advances our capabilities, and human nature remains the same.
- People are people, and the same good and bad from long ago, like in the American Revolution still exist.
- You can parallel King George III to Biden. Both jackasses, both mentally ill, both spoke of their people like animals to be subjugated. King George III wrote a proclamation to suppress rebellion in the Colonies (1775), with utter disdain for the people in the Colonies, and you can see a direct parallel to Biden in his dark red speech and how he spoke of and still speaks of 'maga republicans'. King George III said 'anyone that disagrees with me is a traitor' and that seems to be the same sentiment we get from Biden, Democrats, Deep State, etc, the whole DC establishment.
- Those in power back then and now are full of hubris and take a giant shite on the rest of us.
- The markers for rebellion were present for many years prior to Lexington & Concord. The markers of rebellion have been with us for many years now.
- The people feel it and you can look at comments in various speeches that indicate the same. ( note: I am trying to handle this in my campaign videos right now, with a series of videos on 'Evil and Government'.) Trump has made comments about the divided nation, RFK Jr has already called for a 'peaceful revolution'.
- This is going to climax within a few years, it will be violent, and we will either once again be free with a good reset, or we will be dead or subjugated in a bad reset.
- Don't get down, don't despair, work on your own and together to get things fixed. “We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.” Benjamin Franklin
That's how I would characterize the piece.
Personally, I think 2024 is our last chance to get things going in the right direction without violence. That's why I'm here. That's why I'm running for President. I love my country and I don't want it to go up in flames. However, that's where it's going right now. We have to change this. We must leave the two major parties and deny them any form of support. We need new people in our government, desperately.
- Technology changes, it does not advance humans, it only advances our capabilities, and human nature remains the same.
- People are people, and the same good and bad from long ago, like in the American Revolution still exist.
- You can parallel King George III to Biden. Both jackasses, both mentally ill, both spoke of their people like animals to be subjugated. King George III wrote a proclamation to suppress rebellion in the Colonies (1775), with utter disdain for the people in the Colonies, and you can see a direct parallel to Biden in his dark red speech and how he spoke of and still speaks of 'maga republicans'. King George III said 'anyone that disagrees with me is a traitor' and that seems to be the same sentiment we get from Biden, Democrats, Deep State, etc, the whole DC establishment.
- Those in power back then and now are full of hubris and take a giant shite on the rest of us.
- The markers for rebellion were present for many years prior to Lexington & Concord. The markers of rebellion have been with us for many years now.
- The people feel it and you can look at comments in various speeches that indicate the same. ( note: I am trying to handle this in my campaign videos right now, with a series of videos on 'Evil and Government'.) Trump has made comments about the divided nation, RFK Jr has already called for a 'peaceful revolution'.
- This is going to climax within a few years, it will be violent, and we will either once again be free with a good reset, or we will be dead or subjugated in a bad reset.
- Don't get down, don't despair, work on your own and together to get things fixed. “We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.” Benjamin Franklin
That's how I would characterize the piece.
Personally, I think 2024 is our last chance to get things going in the right direction without violence. That's why I'm here. That's why I'm running for President. I love my country and I don't want it to go up in flames. However, that's where it's going right now. We have to change this. We must leave the two major parties and deny them any form of support. We need new people in our government, desperately.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:57 am to BRgetthenet
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BRgetthenet
Thanks
Posted on 5/10/23 at 6:20 am to ScottFowler
Great book.
Hard times are coming/are here
Hard times are coming/are here
Posted on 5/10/23 at 6:38 am to POTUS2024
P, you might like to read Johnathan Cahn's "The Return of the Gods" if you plan on being a 'mover and shaker' in the political realm. It's what got Tucker canned over at Fox, and it's what all God worshiping people already have and will face in the coming days. Tucker and Beck (who interviewed Cahn) both agreed on Cahn's narrative, that we are up against REAL Demonic Spirits. All religious/spiritual people have always believed this, but like "the fourth turning", when it manifests, it gets real painful real fast. And once one realizes this, and labels the 'political' opposition as what they are, well, ask Tucker.
Good luck or God speed, whichever fits your pov.
Good luck or God speed, whichever fits your pov.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 6:50 am to RCDfan1950
quote:
P, you might like to read Johnathan Cahn's "The Return of the Gods" if you plan on being a 'mover and shaker' in the political realm. It's what got Tucker canned over at Fox, and it's what all God worshiping people already have and will face in the coming days. Tucker and Beck (who interviewed Cahn) both agreed on Cahn's narrative, that we are up against REAL Demonic Spirits. All religious/spiritual people have always believed this, but like "the fourth turning", when it manifests, it gets real painful real fast. And once one realizes this, and labels the 'political' opposition as what they are, well, ask Tucker.
Good luck or God speed, whichever fits your pov.
Thanks, I'll look for that book right now.
I would agree we are up against bad forces. I'm trying to sort it out and see if the ground truth is, as you mention, some real demonic stuff, or if it's an amalgamation of people that are mildly or moderately "bad" but they each only have to do a little bit of evil in order for the whole machine to heap a lot of evil upon us, which is much easier for these people to swallow.
Some research, like the prison guard experiments lead me to believe it might be a mix of both, as a distributed approach works, but it likely needs a leader. And of course those leaders are far away from where the evil must be done, so it's a lot easier for them to do it.
Some of this is based off the book 'Evil' by Roy Baumeister. Some of it is just research I've come across.
Either way, things are bad.
Thanks.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:00 am to POTUS2024
You'll also want to read the Book "Envy", by Helmut Schoeck, P. It also goes into the historical past of civilizational, cultural models of 'governance'. Albeit, Schoeck does not take the spiritual vieq, with Demons/Evil, as REAL entities to be factored in to any cultural/political strategy. He sticks to 'envy' as it was practically dealt with since the Aborigines.
To my knowledge, the Constitutional, God-given individual Rights ideology is the first time in known history that the Individual was granted moral, practical (economic) and ideological independence over and above "mob rule", I.e., Democracy. Democracy having no more virtue than the collective wisdom and virtue of the electorate. Of course the high-minded Dems believe they will fill the 'wisdom/virtue' gap for the foolish masses.
Bottom line: "By their fruits ye will know them". Not by their supposed good intentions or professed altruism, but the consequences that are manifest via their beliefs and actions. It's 'herding cats' any way you cut it. To the Dems, Constitutional Principle/God-given "inalienable" Rights individuals are the enemy of Collectivist Ideology. It's a zero sum game. Throw in the predatory Evil with each Side labeling the other as evil, and it's game on.
If I were you, I'd get Jesus as my 'running mate' and political advisor.
That is the only hope of Humanity, IMO. Otherwise it's the Fermi Paradox, of the which Elon Musk alluded to in Tucker's interview. Very powerful Evil runs the show for now.
To my knowledge, the Constitutional, God-given individual Rights ideology is the first time in known history that the Individual was granted moral, practical (economic) and ideological independence over and above "mob rule", I.e., Democracy. Democracy having no more virtue than the collective wisdom and virtue of the electorate. Of course the high-minded Dems believe they will fill the 'wisdom/virtue' gap for the foolish masses.
Bottom line: "By their fruits ye will know them". Not by their supposed good intentions or professed altruism, but the consequences that are manifest via their beliefs and actions. It's 'herding cats' any way you cut it. To the Dems, Constitutional Principle/God-given "inalienable" Rights individuals are the enemy of Collectivist Ideology. It's a zero sum game. Throw in the predatory Evil with each Side labeling the other as evil, and it's game on.
If I were you, I'd get Jesus as my 'running mate' and political advisor.
That is the only hope of Humanity, IMO. Otherwise it's the Fermi Paradox, of the which Elon Musk alluded to in Tucker's interview. Very powerful Evil runs the show for now. 
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:25 am to ScottFowler
Great read. Thanks for posting.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:33 am to POTUS2024
quote:
Personally, I think 2024 is our last chance to get things going in the right direction
The fundamental issue is that “the right direction” for half the nation is perceived as tyranny by the other half.
It’s a zero sum game now where in order for one side to feel as though they are winning, the other side must lose in terms of their freedoms or cultural values.
That’s not sustainable with a strong federal government.
The only potential path forward within the current structure is through decentralization of the federal government in favor of the states and even then I question whether the elasticity of any shared government can survive the current political divide.
2024 matters, but it might matter within the context of who controls the levers of government during a fiscal collapse that ultimately leads to a balkanization of our current map.
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 8:37 am
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:34 am to POTUS2024
quote:or a "Forth Turning."quote:What is a fourth turning?
Founding Fathers to Michael Shaara and this current Forth Turning
The Strauss-Howe theory is interesting, but I am not sure it holds water.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:37 am to BeerSlayer
Agreed. Great article.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 12:48 pm to POTUS2024
quote:Until further notice, you have my vote
Ok, I read it - here is my synopsis.
- Technology changes, it does not advance humans, it only advances our capabilities, and human nature remains the same.
- People are people, and the same good and bad from long ago, like in the American Revolution still exist.
- You can parallel King George III to Biden. Both jackasses, both mentally ill, both spoke of their people like animals to be subjugated. King George III wrote a proclamation to suppress rebellion in the Colonies (1775), with utter disdain for the people in the Colonies, and you can see a direct parallel to Biden in his dark red speech and how he spoke of and still speaks of 'maga republicans'. King George III said 'anyone that disagrees with me is a traitor' and that seems to be the same sentiment we get from Biden, Democrats, Deep State, etc, the whole DC establishment.
- Those in power back then and now are full of hubris and take a giant shite on the rest of us.
- The markers for rebellion were present for many years prior to Lexington & Concord. The markers of rebellion have been with us for many years now.
- The people feel it and you can look at comments in various speeches that indicate the same. ( note: I am trying to handle this in my campaign videos right now, with a series of videos on 'Evil and Government'.) Trump has made comments about the divided nation, RFK Jr has already called for a 'peaceful revolution'.
- This is going to climax within a few years, it will be violent, and we will either once again be free with a good reset, or we will be dead or subjugated in a bad reset.
- Don't get down, don't despair, work on your own and together to get things fixed. “We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.” Benjamin Franklin
That's how I would characterize the piece.
Personally, I think 2024 is our last chance to get things going in the right direction without violence. That's why I'm here. That's why I'm running for President. I love my country and I don't want it to go up in flames. However, that's where it's going right now. We have to change this. We must leave the two major parties and deny them any form of support. We need new people in our government, desperately.
and I am shopping these books..
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 12:50 pm
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