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Posted on 2/24/21 at 7:56 pm to
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 7:56 pm to
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If the CIA says the KGB did it, it was definitely the CIA.
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 7:58 pm to
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The Warren Commission set the standard for bullshite political reports like the Mueller investigation.


Or the 9/11 commission?
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 7:59 pm to
Or the commission to investigate Jan 6th that Pelosi stacked with democrats.
Posted by SCLibertarian
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 8:02 pm to
I believe the deaths of John Roselli and Sam Giancana were directly linked to the Mafia's involvement with the CIA.
Posted by Stealth Matrix
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 8:03 pm to
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Always thought it was the mob boss of New Orleans that had him killed.

I always figured he was the middleman in charge of finding the triggerman by someone more powerful.

.....aaaaand by figured I mean just pure speculation.
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 8:04 pm
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 8:14 pm to
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Always thought it was the mob boss of New Orleans that had him killed.


It was the mafia that took him out. Jack Ruby taking out Oswald was a dead give away. Ruby was sent to Texas by the Chicago mob and owed them big time. It was because of the mafia that Kennedy won and were tokd they would have a ear in the white house ( Papa Kennedy was dirty as can be) but instead Bobby went after the mafia. Jack was taken out because of this. The Italian mafia has a saying " Cut off the tail the dog lives cut off his head the whole body dies" Bobby was the tail and Jack the head.
People always think of New York as the mafia but the NO mafia is the oldest mafia family in America. Bobby personally went after Carlos Marcello and he and Sam Giancana were very powerful at the time. Kennedy also betrayed the Mafia with the bay of pigs. He signed his own death warrant.
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 8:19 pm
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 8:17 pm to
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This most likely means that Oswald was actually a CIA patsy.


He worked with them on BoPs...David Ferry + Oswald broke that shite

It's not even a discussion, he was young enough and dumb enough to get used so he was...
Posted by BigJake
Baton rouge
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 8:20 pm to
Fun fact Woody Harrelson’s father was in Dallas on that fateful day and some say he was part of a team of assassins that took Kennedy out.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 8:22 pm to
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Why would Khruschev want JFK out? He rolled him before the missile crisis and he extracted concessions out of JFK to end the crisis that helped Russia’s positions in Eastern Europe.
Same logic as the libs wanting me to believe Trump was Putin's puppet, and he preferred him over Hillary and Biden.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 8:27 pm to
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Khrushchev ordered hit...

You’d have to believe that Krushchev would put faith in a complete loser like Oswald to assassinate the POTUS and not talk about it if interrogated by the Secret Service. Unless you also believe that Khrushchev also put complete faith in a loser like Ruby.

I don’t buy it.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 8:33 pm to
Ruby's background shows he was all mafia. He was with the Chicago crew who had a big presence in Dallas at the time. Ruby also was told when and where to be to take out Oswald and had admitted connections within the police department. Ruby begged to be taken to Washington to tell what he knows ( I believe he was under the impression he wouldn't be charged and be protected but in the end realized he was the fall guy)but they would never bring him. The Kennedy brothers betrayed the Mafia and the CIA which, at the time, were both as powerful as the government was.
Posted by Larry Lobster
Ft. Worth
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 8:35 pm to
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Oswald was actually a CIA patsy.

I've been fascinated by the assassination since the mid-1980s after reading a book I found at my grandparents' house (which I still have). My views on the assassination have vacillated since then from believing in a vast conspiracy involving the Mafia, powerful businessmen, Lyndon Johnson and CIA, to believing Oswald may have been exactly as the Warren Commission Report described him (a pathetic loser who got lucky) and back again. I no longer fully subscribe to either of those viewpoints and I'm no longer primarily concerned with whether Oswald pulled the trigger- alone or in conjunction w/ other shooters- or if he was a "just a patsy".

Other facts about Oswald in the seven years preceding the assassination are what piqué my curiosity now. Despite having Marxist/Leninist leanings, Oswald joined the Marines and, after receiving the proper security clearance, was stationed as a radar operator monitoring classified U2 spy plane flights originating from an airbase in Atsugi Japan. At some point, Oswald learned (allegedly in his spare time) to speak fluent Russian, subsequently defecting to Russia before returning to the U.S. with his Russian wife (whose uncle just happened to be a high-ranking KGB officer), all during the height of the Cold War. The official record indicates that, after his return, he received little attention from the U.S. government other than the occasional visit from FBI agent James Hosty.

As for CIA involvement, in the wake of the 1992 Assassination Records Collection Act, thousands of records were reviewed by researchers. A collection of Oswald-related FBI reports from the summer of 1963 was found to bear a "blizzard" of signatures by notable high-ranking CIA officials (along with a memo stating that Oswald was "maturing"), one of whom was Jane Roman, a counterintelligence liaison officer at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

While being interviewed in 1994, Roman reviewed the reports and reluctantly admitted that the number of signatures was overwhelming evidence that, among other things, both the FBI and CIA were "zeroing in on" Oswald for some sort of operational purpose, possibly because of Oswald's membership in the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in New Orleans.

The investigation conducted by the House Select Committee on Assassinations during the 1970s disclosed that, contrary to what the Warren Commission reported, Jack Ruby did, in fact, have substantial Mafia connections (one of whom coincidentally bailed Oswald out of jail in the summer of 1963).

Oswald may not have been "just a patsy", but, these curiosities (and others I didn't mention) will cause me to remain convinced that there is much, much more to him (and other individuals and events surrounding Kennedy’s assassination) than we will ever know.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 8:38 pm to
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possibly because of Oswald's membership in the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in New Orleans.


Oswald was working for them under his Uncles direction whos background showed he was associated with the Marcello family.
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 8:39 pm
Posted by michael corleone
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 8:51 pm to
You are missing one more death. George de Mohrenschildt also died at the same time as Roselli and Giancana —-just before testifying to Congress about the assignation. All three about the same time. BTW, George was a CIA contractor.
Posted by dpd901
South Louisiana
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 9:01 pm to
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Ruby also was told when and where to be to take out Oswald



Only this isn’t true at all. Ruby’s movements are incredibly well documented that morning. He stopped on his way to the police station to wire money to a stripper and ran other errands.

Oswald had been scheduled to leave the police station well before Ruby arrived in the garage, but OSWALD HIMSELF requested a change of chlothes which delayed his departure. That is the only reason Oswald was still there when Ruby arrived. If there was a coordinated plan for Ruby to shoot Oswald on his way out of the police station with inside help, he sure seemed determined to fail. I mean, would you go to the Post office and Western Union if you knew the time you needed to be there to take out your mark?

Posted by PhDoogan
Member since Sep 2018
14947 posts
Posted on 2/24/21 at 9:13 pm to
Interesting that a Mr. Lobster has so many details:

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Larry Lobster

Ft. Worth


Wait, assassination in Dallas, JFK sleeps overnight in Ft. Worth, gives breakfast speeches that morning, in Ft. Worth?!? What else do you know, Mr. Lobster, who hails from Ft. Worth?

Just kidding, great post. You seem to have studied much on the subject.

While Kennedy's assassination clearly rattled ALL of America and had long-lasting societal effects, I believe that the more recent election steal will have similar effects on a large segment of Americans who distrust their government and their lapdog media complex, and that trust will take some time to be regained (if ever).

I am also, to some extent, ironically conflating JFK's death with what I wholeheartedly believed was coordinated election fraud to oust Trump (and his supporters) from political relevance, and JFK's election which I understand was also rife with corruption.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
19012 posts
Posted on 2/24/21 at 9:17 pm to
I’m gonna call bullshite on that. If the soviets wanted him to carry out the hit, they would have either supplied him with weapon or the funds to purchase a quality rifle. He used a piece of shite rifle he bought in a catalog. Let that sink in.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 2/24/21 at 9:17 pm to
Mafia hit
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
12177 posts
Posted on 2/24/21 at 9:34 pm to
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there was a coordinated plan for Ruby to shoot Oswald on his way out of the police station with inside help, he sure seemed


The time of Oswalds transfer was indeed changed. Ruby had to make those little stops to make sure he timed it right. Ruby also was allowed to enter the garage area from inside the police station. It wasn't luck by any means that Ruby was in position to take Oswald out.
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64635 posts
Posted on 2/24/21 at 9:36 pm to
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There is a ton of smoke around the CIA, Hoover, and mafia involvement. The CIA planned, the mafia assisted and Hoover made sure it stayed covered up.


And then they disappeared Hoover.
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 9:52 pm
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