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re: Foreign-Born Judge Controls Trump’s National Security Powers

Posted on 12/25/25 at 12:08 pm to
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 12/25/25 at 12:08 pm to
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Born in Ontario


That is not in the United States right?
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46227 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 12:18 pm to
IDGAF where he was born or if he’s naturalized or not. His allegiance is not solely to the US and he’s not an elected official. He should not be stonewalling executive action.

Full stop.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112711 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 12:23 pm to
He may think he does, but that order is a dead man walking.

No one has a right to a security clearance and as C-in-C, Trump has the unfettered discretion in granting or revoking them.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112711 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 12:29 pm to
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The problem/issue is that Trump has a tendency to completely ignore the established/statutory procedures for doing things that he does have (eventually) the right to do. he cuts corners, and thereby violates the law.


There's no "procedure" for revoking a security clearance. You have one or you don't and your ability to maintain it is at the whim of the authority that can grant or revoke it.

Wanna guess who that authority is?
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24147 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 1:26 pm to
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ignoring binding precedent that says otherwise


Our courts are trash.

quote:

expected, Trump cut corners.


The courts create corners not justified by the constitution all the time.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24147 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 1:29 pm to
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In the US Constitution and our system of laws? Abso-fricking-lutely.


You like to stack retarded like sfp.
Posted by dalefla
Central FL
Member since Jul 2024
3352 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 1:42 pm to
You're wasting your time talking to an idiot that tosses his salad in his mom's basement to fans only sluts and reads Democratic underground and Reddit like they're the sole truth.

I'd like to meet some of these morons in real life. Just have a conversation over a beer and see in person how truly fricked up they are.
This post was edited on 12/25/25 at 1:43 pm
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19212 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 2:25 pm to
So, one judge gets to determine who gets security clearance? Theoretically, that judge could allow any of our enemies access to classified information.
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
Trumpist Populism: Politics by LCD
Member since Oct 2025
2187 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 2:42 pm to
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You like to stack retarded
Engrish prease.
Posted by BayouBaw84
Member since Oct 2016
3260 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 2:49 pm to
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naturalized US citizen
Only those who are born here from parents who are citizens should be in these types of positions.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
7935 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 2:51 pm to
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This case involves the government’s retribution against a lawyer because he represented whistleblowers and other clients who complained about the government, carried out by summarily canceling the attorney’s security clearance without any of the process that is afforded to others.


In a nutshell - without any of the process afforded to others - not "due process" not "mandatory process"

This judge just ruled on "feels" because others had some other reason rather than a unilateral termination of a security clearance.

This is a quick reversal and... again, our feckless house refuses to punish judges that are incompetent at best and plain evil at worst.

From ChatGPT: Department of Navy v. Egan (1988): This Supreme Court case affirmed the president's authority over national security decisions, including the revocation of security clearances. It emphasized the executive branch's sole responsibility in these matters, making it difficult for courts to intervene.
This post was edited on 12/25/25 at 2:58 pm
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87642 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 2:53 pm to
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I don't know if it's Hank


Oh, it’s Hank all right. I don’t think he even bothers to deny it. Admins are asleep at the switch on this one.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
40704 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 2:55 pm to
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He was born less than ten miles north of upstate New York.


And yet you posted a pic of Toronto over 80 miles away. What a dummy.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
7935 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 3:05 pm to
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The First Amendment prohibits government officials from retaliating against people for engaging in ... protected activities. See Nieves v. Bartlett, 587 U.S. 391, 398 (2019)


So, if the attorney says "I'm going to give state secrets to everyone". That's a violation of his free speech for removal of security clearance ? Right....

SCOTUS has spoken on this - I'm riding with them until they say otherwise
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112711 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 4:14 pm to
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EXCEPT where the White House acts in violation of the Constitution. Here, the contention is that the White House revoked Zaid's clearance in violation of his First Amendment rights. In particular, the contention is that Trump revoked the clearance because Zaid has been critical of Trump.


Unless there is a fundamental right to a security clearance, the reason for the revocation is meaningless.

There isn't.

The President has absolute authority.

That's why every other lawsuit against Trump by other lawyers has FAILED on the issue of the revocation of security clearances.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297281 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 4:17 pm to
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He should not be stonewalling executive action.


So you dont believe there should be any checks on executive action?
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
Trumpist Populism: Politics by LCD
Member since Oct 2025
2187 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 4:21 pm to
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He was born less than ten miles north of upstate New York.
And yet you posted a pic of Toronto over 80 miles away
I posted a pic of a city in ONTARIO. A pic of a city that most well-read people would recognize ... in response to the stupid-assed post about this judge coming from the "third world." No one would have recognized a photo of Kingston, Ontario. Hell, most have never HEARD of Kingston, Ontario.

You seem to be chronically angry at everyone and everything. Take a breath. Relax before you have an aneurysm.
This post was edited on 12/25/25 at 4:30 pm
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
40704 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 4:37 pm to
Nobody cares what you think Hank. Your current account won’t be active much long.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
40704 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 4:40 pm to
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I posted a pic of a city in ONTARIO. A pic of a city that most well-read people would recognize


Ontario isn’t a city it’s a province

Go pretend to be well traveled somewhere else you dummy.
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
Trumpist Populism: Politics by LCD
Member since Oct 2025
2187 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 4:43 pm to
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Ontario isn’t a city it’s a province
I am aware ... though I am surprised that YOU are.
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