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re: Forced vaccination by employers is a real possibility in the next few months…legally?
Posted on 8/5/21 at 8:16 am to mike2019tiger
Posted on 8/5/21 at 8:16 am to mike2019tiger
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Funny when right wing loons are using this slogan. I guess now you know how ladies feel about you sanctimonious, self styled moral policemen want to intrude into their bodies.
That’s a totally different realm of discussion.
Arguing over control of forcing an experiment into a single person vs deciding to end a growing human life is not in the same class.
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Posted on 8/5/21 at 8:21 am to lsu777
I want to agree with you 100%. I believe that in principal, you're correct.
However, I do believe these companies, especially the larger ones are acting on behalf of the government in some way. I don't know exactly how, but I do believe there is some form of coercion going on here.
Additionally, not to be cliché, but this does indeed open up another slippery slope argument. What aspect of your life can your employer not have a say so in, if we allow this? Is there really a limit?
This "vaccination" is not like others. Others have decades of data behind them and are proven to work. And even those have some people who are dead set against them. Those people have good reason to be against those vaccines I'm sure. But I do believe that they provide a net benefit to society as a whole. This current vax though, it's nowhere close to that point.
However, I do believe these companies, especially the larger ones are acting on behalf of the government in some way. I don't know exactly how, but I do believe there is some form of coercion going on here.
Additionally, not to be cliché, but this does indeed open up another slippery slope argument. What aspect of your life can your employer not have a say so in, if we allow this? Is there really a limit?
This "vaccination" is not like others. Others have decades of data behind them and are proven to work. And even those have some people who are dead set against them. Those people have good reason to be against those vaccines I'm sure. But I do believe that they provide a net benefit to society as a whole. This current vax though, it's nowhere close to that point.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 8:22 am to eng08
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That’s a totally different realm of discussion.
Arguing over control of forcing an experiment into a single person vs deciding to end a growing human life is not in the same class.
No both are decisions typically made between you and your healthcare provider that other people want in on.
It's a tough choice and it's not fair to those who have had to make it to act like the decision is to kill a baby. Sometimes it's about saving your own life.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 8:31 am to lsu777
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in your example any smart competitor would put a sign up advertising that they dont mandate thier employees take pills or vaccines and would steal all the good employees. Also the competitor would put signs up all over town advertising what the original company did and the free market will take care of it self.
Again, I want to agree with you.. but this simply wouldn't be the case if there were a hypothetical massive government campaign trying to convince all women to take birth control and shamed all of those who don't take it.
The market works when people are not only free to choose products and services, but also when the marketplace of ideas is free. The government should be a referee, not a coach.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 8:34 am to Bass Tiger
A good employer won’t mandate it. You can bet the big corporations will though. Glad I work for a company that is owned by conservative Americans.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 8:36 am to lsu777
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in your example any smart competitor would put a sign up advertising that they dont mandate thier employees take pills or vaccines and would steal all the good employees. Also the competitor would put signs up all over town advertising what the original company did and the free market will take care of it self.
You might be surprised at just how incestuous many large companies are, the boards of directors often include leaders (or former leaders) of adjacent companies - they can easily create a monopoly of policies.
What you mention above is very possible on the local scale, but truly large companies are different. Government can also influence actions that impact hundreds of thousands of workers by only touching a few players.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 8:40 am to jcaz
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You can bet the big corporations will though. Glad I work for a company that is owned by conservative Americans.
The real issue is that companies are requiring their vendors to be. So in some ways customers are pushing for the companies by buy from to have it too.
Just another avenue of pressure to place upon companies.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 8:45 am to oklahogjr
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The real issue is that companies are requiring their vendors to be.
And this really is a huge mind frick.
I'm waiting for the day one of my clients asks me if I've had the poke, to which I'll refuse to answer. Over a long career, I've never had to answer a personal question to gain access to sell.
What's more preposterous? The fricking vaccine doesn't work - you can still carry and spread.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:05 am to LSUfan20005
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And this really is a huge mind frick.
I'm waiting for the day one of my clients asks me if I've had the poke, to which I'll refuse to answer. Over a long career, I've never had to answer a personal question to gain access to sell.
What's more preposterous? The fricking vaccine doesn't work - you can still carry and spread.
If you're in sales they might not ask about you specifically but about the technicians or other involved in the regular services. Maybe something like we have a policy that we only accept vendors with a commitment to vaccination policy to protect our workers. What's your companies policy on the vaccine.
And yes i know this sounds crazy but it's happening.
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