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Posted on 8/15/23 at 1:14 pm to Mr Gardocki
quote:
How was inflation under him? Gas prices?
Inflation -
His trade policy with china reduced imports which was later followed by covid which disrupted supply chain.
Low goods / high demand = inflation.
Remember toilet paper tripling in price.
Trump tried to artificially stimulate the stock market (thinking that would help inflation) by giving trillions in tax dollars directly to companies to use for stock buy backs. All they did essentially was give execs huge bonuses. It provided temporary relief but it was not a solution and our debt skyrocketed.
Oil -
During covid we were swimming in oil because transportation shut down but imports did not. The solution was to shut off imports. Russia and Opec continued exports and drove prices down. The US couldn't give oil away and our storage facilities reached brim containment. Trump approached OPEC with a plan to reduce oil imports by 30% - he walked away with 9%. Then the deal all fell apart when import nations wouldnt agree to terms.
Later his son in law got a multi billion dollar investment deal with the Saudis. Also Trump got a LIV golf deal which will eventually return his golf courses back to the new Saudi merged PGA.
This post was edited on 8/15/23 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 8/15/23 at 1:16 pm to Lou Pai
quote:
I think there are about 3 self-identifying democrats
More lies
Posted on 8/15/23 at 1:26 pm to BigTigerJoe
quote:I guess if you disregard Kushner getting 2 billion from the Saudis and the multiple Chinese patents awarded to Ivanka, you're totally right
and he didn't have foreign countries kick back laundered money to his children.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 1:54 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:
"So what's your favorite ice cream flavor?"
"Vanilla."
"Oh...so you hate chocolate, is that it?
that's EXACTLY what politics has become... well done
Posted on 8/15/23 at 1:57 pm to Palantir
quote:
I guess if you disregard Kushner getting 2 billion from the Saudis and the multiple Chinese patents awarded to Ivanka, you're totally right
What he clicks on doesn't talk about that therefore its not true
Also - brace for an encyclopedias worth of conjecture about Hunter Biden which i guess is supposed to make the Jared and Ivanka stuff ok?
Posted on 8/15/23 at 2:04 pm to chRxis
quote:
"So what's your favorite ice cream flavor?"
"Vanilla."
"Oh...so you hate chocolate, is that it?
More like..
Lets have a conversation about ice cream...
F^ck ice cream - Trump is a Nazi
Oh yeah well at least I'm not raping children and smoking crack like Hunter Biden
Grab pussy much?
Socialist
Racist
Lets Go Brandon - its civil war time
Bring it on Adolf
This concludes our conversation about ice cream.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 2:07 pm to Pettifogger
quote:
My biggest overarching complaint is that Trump is hastening the decline of the country from the right. He absolutely scores individual wins (even if often flawed/unfinished/abandoned), but he's dishonest, fake, narcissistic, vain and a great representative of our general societal decay. At core, he's an empty shell. We need less of that. We do not need to crown someone like that as a demigod of the conservative movement.
I'll admit when Trump is being persecuted and when he's right and when he wins. But I won't die on the Trump hill and others shouldn't either. He's not worth it. Unfortunately plenty of people are finding out that battling for Trump earns you the unjustified spite and persecution of his enemies and that he and his supporters won't be there when that happens.
very well said, and dead on accurate... many are too far gone to admit thinking/feeling the same way, but realistically, had the climate of Washington not been what it was at the time, no way Trump is the nominee vs. any other Republican nominee pre-Obama....
Posted on 8/15/23 at 2:07 pm to OccamsStubble
quote:
Added $7,400,000,000,000 to he national debt
Disingenuous at best
ETA: plenty of legit gripes, and the first thing i see is one of the dumbest talking points.
This post was edited on 8/15/23 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 8/15/23 at 2:09 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:
I don't hate Trump. I voted for him.
In this cycle, I prefer another candidate, and one who we all here liked until we were told not to like him.
It would be awesome if we could stop conflating support for one candidate as equaling hate for another.
It's right up there with with:
"So what's your favorite ice cream flavor?"
"Vanilla."
"Oh...so you hate chocolate, is that it?!?"
Yes!
I do think Trump is pretty sloppy. We need ruthless efficiency
Posted on 8/15/23 at 2:11 pm to PorkSammich
quote:
-he’s never attempted to unify anyone. Always divisive
I suppose Barry O and Biden have been great unifiers. NOTHING Trump could say or do would convince 45% of the country of anything. No one could.
The only thing Dems want is him gone.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 2:14 pm to Jimbeaux
I don’t hate trump but don’t think his presidency was particularly successful.
Good things he did:
1. Judges. He was just pointing to names on the Heritage Foundation though. Any Republican president could have done that. The victory really goes to McConnell for keeping Garland off the court and making sure Barrett got on.
2. Tax reform, but that was Paul Ryan’s baby. They also shouldn’t have made the changes to SALT which raised federal taxes on a lot of suburbs that used to vote Republican and now probably won’t for a decade. It was a just needless regionalism creeping into a bill that could have made the tax code better for everyone.
3. He didn’t start any wars, which doesn’t sound like much until you remember that everyone else almost certainly would have.
4. He made it fashionable to reject the elite free trade/free market economic thinking that has ruled this country since the late 70s
Failures:
1. He never got his wall built. Obviously they did everything they could to stop him, but he was unable to deliver on that promise.
2. He couldn’t get rid of Obamacare/ACA. Sure McCain sunk it, but he could have not said things like “I like heroes who don’t get captured” or he could have come up with a replacement plan so that it’s passage didn’t look like it was just going to remove health coverage for millions of people with the stroke of a pen.
4. His handling of Covid was horrible. It was a tough spot to be in, but he could have made choices instead of delegating it to the states and then attacking the governors he didn’t like. It’s not just that he supports the vaccine, or that he answered to Fauci (although it is that), it’s that he seemed genuinely in over his head. The buck stops with the president.
5. His trade wars were mostly partisan and designed to protect his perceived constituents and punish anyone who weren’t his voters. The president is supposed to be the president of all Americans, which brings us to
6. Could you imagine him as president on 9/11? He never once pretended to owe anything to people who weren’t his supporters.
7. He ruled by executive order because it was easier and so, like Obama before him, he got all of his accomplishments undone on the first day of the next administration.
8. The tweets. They are just tweets, true, but they were constant and erratic and often cruel and a constant reminder that the president wasn’t acting like an adult. This also manifested in his followers. Ie it’s one thing to argue that the children being kept in cages were an Obama era policy and have continued under Biden, or that they are a natural consequence of illegally crossing a border, but there was so much glee online about little kids sleeping in pins. It was gross and unChristian. Again, it probably doesn’t make any difference to the kids if they are put there by people who enjoy their suffering or people who don’t think about them at all, but practically all that glee has consequences and makes people who can be moved by the suffering of others think we are monsters
Good things he did:
1. Judges. He was just pointing to names on the Heritage Foundation though. Any Republican president could have done that. The victory really goes to McConnell for keeping Garland off the court and making sure Barrett got on.
2. Tax reform, but that was Paul Ryan’s baby. They also shouldn’t have made the changes to SALT which raised federal taxes on a lot of suburbs that used to vote Republican and now probably won’t for a decade. It was a just needless regionalism creeping into a bill that could have made the tax code better for everyone.
3. He didn’t start any wars, which doesn’t sound like much until you remember that everyone else almost certainly would have.
4. He made it fashionable to reject the elite free trade/free market economic thinking that has ruled this country since the late 70s
Failures:
1. He never got his wall built. Obviously they did everything they could to stop him, but he was unable to deliver on that promise.
2. He couldn’t get rid of Obamacare/ACA. Sure McCain sunk it, but he could have not said things like “I like heroes who don’t get captured” or he could have come up with a replacement plan so that it’s passage didn’t look like it was just going to remove health coverage for millions of people with the stroke of a pen.
4. His handling of Covid was horrible. It was a tough spot to be in, but he could have made choices instead of delegating it to the states and then attacking the governors he didn’t like. It’s not just that he supports the vaccine, or that he answered to Fauci (although it is that), it’s that he seemed genuinely in over his head. The buck stops with the president.
5. His trade wars were mostly partisan and designed to protect his perceived constituents and punish anyone who weren’t his voters. The president is supposed to be the president of all Americans, which brings us to
6. Could you imagine him as president on 9/11? He never once pretended to owe anything to people who weren’t his supporters.
7. He ruled by executive order because it was easier and so, like Obama before him, he got all of his accomplishments undone on the first day of the next administration.
8. The tweets. They are just tweets, true, but they were constant and erratic and often cruel and a constant reminder that the president wasn’t acting like an adult. This also manifested in his followers. Ie it’s one thing to argue that the children being kept in cages were an Obama era policy and have continued under Biden, or that they are a natural consequence of illegally crossing a border, but there was so much glee online about little kids sleeping in pins. It was gross and unChristian. Again, it probably doesn’t make any difference to the kids if they are put there by people who enjoy their suffering or people who don’t think about them at all, but practically all that glee has consequences and makes people who can be moved by the suffering of others think we are monsters
This post was edited on 8/15/23 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 8/15/23 at 2:24 pm to 4cubbies
"I don’t support him because he’s too dang old to be running anything, let alone a country. We have to get these geriatrics out of leadership."
THIS!!!!
THIS!!!!
Posted on 8/15/23 at 2:32 pm to Fat Bastard
2nd amendment? 
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Posted on 8/15/23 at 2:48 pm to LSUnation78
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quote:Added $7,400,000,000,000 to he national debt Disingenuous at best
Math is not your friend
Posted on 8/15/23 at 2:50 pm to WaltWhite504
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Also - brace for an encyclopedias worth of conjecture about Hunter Biden which i guess is supposed to make the Jared and Ivanka stuff ok?
How do we know about all this Kush and Ivanka stuff?
Posted on 8/15/23 at 2:57 pm to BeepNode
quote:
They beat Trump with COVID and he fell for it. Without COVID, Trump is still president.
Should infuriate the World and bring the wrath down on China
Posted on 8/15/23 at 3:05 pm to Mr Gardocki
quote:
How was inflation
Inflation was caused by too much spending. Both Trump and Biden were the cause of the inflation the country just saw and continues to see.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 3:15 pm to Chazreinhold
quote:
How do we know about all this Kush and Ivanka stuff?
Its public record. They pretty much told everyone and claimed its not illegal.
Look - I'm 100% for investigations into Bidens Clintons etc. but you have to dig and puzzle together evidence to come up with Hunter accepted money for face time with his dad. The guy is a POS so it likely happened and dad seems to have a weakness for his family. Its plausable Joe gave time (possibly favors) to people Hunter brought around.
The Trumps - Russian and Chinese foreign nationals just write checks directly to trump via MarALago memberships. Then go to lunch.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 3:22 pm to OccamsStubble
quote:
Math is not your friend
History and context both told you to lose their number.
Again, plenty to complain about that is unique and specific to person in question. And the first one listed is this garbage. As if covid didn’t happen, and as if any GOP is fiscally conservative anymore. How many decades has it been since you could make that claim with a straight face?
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