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re: For those who draw the line at "Stolen Election"

Posted on 3/6/23 at 10:51 am to
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79212 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 10:51 am to
Some of us have different opinions on how the election was influenced.

For example, I think COVID was intentionally used to supercharge the Dem ground game in unlawful or borderline unlawful ways. I don't think there has been any real consequence for that and I'm confident plenty of cheating and gray area manipulation occurred.

Was the election stolen? I don't know if it was the deciding factor or not.

But it's an example in how turning the narrative over the the crazies because it's flashier and more interesting can help prevent recognition of the truth. Some elements of the conservative movement have always done this, taking something bad and nefarious and contorting it to a more unlikely but more dramatic narrative that will later be undermined and ridiculed, thereby casting doubt on the less exciting saga of boring bad conduct.

It also hurts the country as a whole when we engage in this incessant dramatization of everything. I'm all about cracking big scandals/conspiracies and I think they exist. But I think it's just another sign of excess in our culture. Things that absolutely are true don't capture the public's interest/imagination because we're so fatigued by battles over exaggerated/enhanced storylines.

Perhaps COVID was intentionally released to impact the election or reduce population, but probably not. I think a serious debate on that topic would conclude that a lot of nefarious actors are capable of nefarious things, but that it's nonetheless unlikely for a variety of reasons. But by skipping over the intermediate/more likely scandal of the US denying a reckless/accidental lab leak theory to avoid having to hold China accountable, we're missing an opportunity to tell the real story of why our dependence on China is so limiting. Instead we'll become embroiled in a debate about whether it's possible China and the WEF released C19 for population control, which should probably be secondary at best.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24743 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 10:51 am to
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And still, even with more evidence, nothing will happen


With that attitude, you're right. Accept it like cattle being led to slaughter.

Why is our government finally admitting that the virus came from a lab in Wuhan? Because people with intestinal fortitude kept calling out Fauci and his bullshite. They kept asking for answers, and eventually it becomes more and more obvious that he is lying about the origin of the virus, who funded the gain of function, and who benefited from lockdowns and forcing people to take the vaccine.

Why are they investigating Hunter Biden? Do you think the DOJ wants to do this? They would still be sitting on the laptop if they could, no? But enough people keep insisting that it be investigated. They are still trying to figure out how to minimize the damage.

The election will have to be the same way. Eventually, people are going to insist that we tighten the voting process so that cheating will be very difficult to do on a scale that can turn an election.

Right now, the narrative is, "Yeah, cheating is easy, but we don't have any proof that anybody is doing it."
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24743 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 10:53 am to
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However, to the leftists, this is akin to selective hearing as well.


My post is mainly directed at conservatives who realize that the government lied to them about conspiracy theories like the pandemic, spying, Hunter's laptop, etc, but refuse to believe that the same government would lie to them about the election.
Posted by Northshore Aggie
Mandeville, LA
Member since Sep 2022
4692 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 10:55 am to
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With that attitude, you're right. Accept it like cattle being led to slaughter.

what do you suggest we do it about it?
Posted by ezride25
Constitutional Republic
Member since Nov 2008
24284 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 10:58 am to
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With that said it happened on the Dons watch.


He was also the subject of peach mints “on his watch.” By your logic he did that bullshite to himself to sabotage his own presidency which brought historic prosperity to Americans?

Use your brain libtard.
Posted by McChowder
Hammond
Member since Dec 2006
5227 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 10:59 am to
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 which is apparently legal in some swing states

....and in the states it wasn't legal they said fck it let's do it anyway. They did this with signature matching too.

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The democrat party has perfected a new way to maximize the voter rolls

Lmao yeah
Posted by La Place Mike
West Florida Republic
Member since Jan 2004
28812 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:00 am to
People who scoff that election was stolen are blind to the fact that Democrats openly rig their own Primaries. Why wouldn't they rig an election? They don't have to do it Nationally but only in a few states.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53472 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:00 am to
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
Undisclosed Secure Location
Member since Feb 2008
18655 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:04 am to
Define stolen.

Hacked election devices? Probably not.

Illegally gathered and possibly forged ballots? Definitely in some areas. Hell, that’s been proven.
Posted by thejuiceisloose
UNO Fan
Member since Nov 2018
4171 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:04 am to
All of his campaign lawyers said his allegations were bogus along with the AG, the only folks in the "stolen" camp were Rudy G, Sidney Powell and Mike Pillow..... did you not notice that Trump was very well liked? It shouldn't be shocking that he could lose an election
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24743 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:04 am to
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what do you suggest we do it about it?


Write to your congressmen, and your local politicians and insist that laws be followed. You can't have anti-ballot harvesting laws in place and then just ignore them.

Raise hell when your state/local government makes it easier to cheat. Installing remote drop boxes should be a no-no. Refusing to clean up the ballot rolls so that you continue to have people who registered to vote in 1912 still on the rolls (and voting).

Speak out on social media. Too many are afraid to point out the 800 lb gorilla in the room for fear of being called a crazy conspiracy theorist. Make it known that you know shite is happening and are watching.

There is nothing we can do about the 2020 election. Except, make sure that it doesn't happen again.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
31878 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:07 am to
So by your logic there is absolutely nothing Trump could have done before or after and the country was going to be taken over by an illegitimate regime?

Yet knowing this he is running again and this go round he has zero power rather than being the leader of the free world.

That makes sense
Posted by G&P
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2013
1981 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:07 am to
Stolen election means the end to patriotism.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
31878 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:07 am to
Where’s muh dominion?
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24743 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:08 am to
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People who scoff that election was stolen are blind to the fact that Democrats openly rig their own Primaries.


Bingo. Why go through the trouble of rigging your primary, just to lose in the general. Rig that, too.

I used to think that Bernie and Tulsi were the only non-establishment candidates running. The fact that the DNC screwed Bernie over was proof of that. But then Bernie didn't complain. Now Bernie is all over funding the war in Ukraine, so now I think they either blackmailed him or bribed him to toe the line.
Posted by 4QNDS
Cypress Texas
Member since Oct 2019
158 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:14 am to
It was stolen and everyone from now on will be stolen because the left knows they can do it with impunity. Being over 65 my wife and I applied for ballots through the mail. They never showed up. I bet they were used in the fraudulent Harris County election.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53472 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:19 am to
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Where’s muh dominion?


The better question is why are you avoiding the content.



But we all know the answer to that Adam.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
31878 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:39 am to
Yes I think the MSM affected the election by ignoring the hunter biden story.

Not illegal.

Yes I think ballots were “harvested” and potentially added to.

Some of that is legal. Some of it is illegal.

Many legitimate claims got muffled by outlandish claims by stuff like “the kracken”

I also know that Trump was ultimately the presiding authority over all of that.

So why would I vote for the guy who couldn’t or wouldn’t do anything about it?
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53472 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 12:09 pm to
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also know that Trump was ultimately the presiding authority over all of that.


Not true. States are over their election. I, personally, do not want elections controlled from DC.

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why would I vote for the guy who couldn’t or wouldn’t do anything about it?



He did. He told every state leading up to the elections what was going to happen and recommended them to act.


Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24743 posts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 12:41 pm to
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I also know that Trump was ultimately the presiding authority over all of that.

So why would I vote for the guy who couldn’t or wouldn’t do anything about it?


It's up to us, the American people to make sure our elections aren't stolen again. We have at least some of the playbook.

Let's make sure our local elections are fair. Do away with unfettered mail in ballots and drop boxes. Make sure all voting laws are followed - for example, ensure that the rules for chain of possession for all of the ballots are followed and set aside the ballots where the rules aren't followed.

We have to watch, be vigilant, make sure the rules are followed, and expose when they are not followed.

Make voting integrity a primary issue when voting, not an afterthought. I believe part of the reason that Republicans aren't more on top of this issue is that they were happy that Trump lost. They are afraid of him, too, and not for good reasons.

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