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re: For those who are pro choice: At what point do you feel a fetus becomes a human being?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:21 pm to cahoots
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:21 pm to cahoots
quote:no, that's not the point. the point is regardless of how tough pregnancy is, a mother can choose to not murder the baby and give it up for adoption
It's more than "inconvenient" to be pregnant for 9 months with a baby put inside of you against your will
quote:same with abortion so those stakes are equal
Some women are never the same afterwards
quote:yes, convenience and it's wrong to murder simply because you don't WANT the baby. what if that baby would have gone on to do something heroic? isn't the forced pregnancy worth it?
Convenience? C'mon dude
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Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:21 pm to AggieHank86
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One simply cannot "murder" a non-sapient organism
You’re begging the question.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:23 pm to cahoots
quote:you used the word weird yet, here you are saying you don't know. which is it? if it's weird to you, then you've already made a judgement
I don't know that's why I am asking
quote:should he not have? what standard are we using to make such a judgment?
Why did an all-powerful God decide that most of those conceived would never be born?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:24 pm to Masterag
quote:no, sperm needs an eye to initiate a human life
All this can be said for Sperm as well
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:27 pm to lsu1919
quote:not committing murder for the sake of convenience? is that a good enough reason?
what do you gain by being pro-life?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:29 pm to lsu1919
quote:people are not "free" to murder someone for the sake of convenience, even if that person is in the womb. what about the baby's freedom to live? who is protecting that?
People are free to make their own choices
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:30 pm to lsu1919
quote:by explaining it's heinously evil and immoral to murder someone for the sake of convenience. that would be a good start.
how do I benefit by forcing a woman to have a baby she doesn't want?
you aren't "forcing" anything. you are explaining the obvious, facile truth
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:31 pm to lsu1919
quote:not debatable at all. not even one scintilla of question or controversy about it. well, at least to any reasonable person
You view it as murder. But that's debatable
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:37 pm to germandawg
quote:that doesn't make it right or moral. because, you know, it's not.
A woman will always have the ability to terminate a pregnancy....there is nothing the state can do about it...never has been, never will be
quote:there is some truth to that. but to a degree, a society can be judged by it's morality
Its no one's business but the mother and her physicians
quote:this is completely stupid. like "fathers" can't have a say in what is moral or not.
As long as we do not make it a crime to father children and not support them both financially and emotionally then fathers shouldn't have any say in the matter
quote:this has nothing to do with the morality of abortion.
it is a much bigger issue having men father children and abandon them than it is having a father who wants a child not have a say in it being aborted.
quote:it will for the babies who would have otherwise been murdered. your moral compass is seriously off
when Roe is overturned it isn't going to improve anyone's life
quote:this isn't even true from a secular humanist standpoint, much less a moral standpoint
so the net gain will be nil
quote:the bible also advocates for unprecedented women's rights in the context of the ancient world. why not mention that if you're going to get the circumstance wrong?
about 15 years or so ago the SBC stated publicly that a woman's job was to obey her husband
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:39 pm to mmcgrath
quote:nope. a woman does not have the right to murder a baby simply because she doesn't want it. that is asinine
It is up to the mother until it is born
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:41 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
abortion does end the life of a genetically-distinct organism.
That genetically-distinct organism is human. Has human DNA.
I also am a genetically-distinct organism who is human with the same type of human DNA.
When given the opportunity to choose, I choose life for myself. If only all humans involved were allowed to influence the choice.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:43 pm to Huge Richard
quote:in case no one has informed you, there are, GASP, women who are against abortion. what kind of crazy world do we live in?
Bunch of bros arguing over whether they can force a woman to carry a pregnancy
quote:if the mother's life is not in danger, why would anyone think she has the right to murder the baby? just give it up for adoption. no one gets killed. mother doesn't have that on her conscience. she gets to go about her life however she sees fit.
they’re even forcing a rape victim to carry a pregnancy
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:50 pm to mmcgrath
quote:i get that you don't realize this but, your position is sick and twisted. you should try murdering the baby a few times before you type out your blithe dismissive response from the comfort of your mom's basement couch
Are you saying a mother should have the option of having an abortion all the way up going into labor if she so chooses?
yes.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:52 pm to cahoots
quote:i wonder what their opinion would be if they were the ones who had to strangle the baby with their own two hands, but then again some people are monsters like that
Pro-lifers quickly change their minds when their princesses get knocked up
quote:yeah, it sure as hell isn't morality. that would be stupid.
The long term solution to the debate is clearly education and better contraceptives
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:54 pm to mmcgrath
quote:i don't understand what you are saying. there are states that are trying to pass laws allowing this very situation to be legal
What is your twisted reasoning that a woman would abort a pregnancy after 9 months without some valid medical reason?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:54 pm to bfniii
quote:
Bunch of bros arguing over whether they can force a woman to carry a pregnancy
Bottom line...the "bros" arguing in favor of abortion do so because it reduces their responsibility to half the cost of abortion and maybe a ride to the clinic. Fact.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:56 pm to cahoots
quote:how so?
Sounds superior to the abstinence only education peddled by some conservatives
quote:hey guys, let's just tell people not to break the law AT ALL.
Hey guys, let's just tell the kids not to have sex AT ALL
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:59 pm to BowlJackson
quote:apparently, you haven't read
The bible says life begins at first breath
Jeremiah 1:5
Isaiah 44:24
Psalm 139:13–16
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:06 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
And THIS is where abortion opponents who do NOT oppose Plan B run into philosophical problems
quote:preventing the implanting of the fetus to the uterine wall is still murder. if it happened on it's own, different story. the process unfolded naturally. thus, there is no inconsistency in opposing both
If the concept of a "genetically distinct human life" is a part of one's arsenal of arguments, failure to oppose Plan B is ENTIRELY inconsistent with opposition to later-term pregnancy termination by other means.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:07 pm to Skyler97
quote:heinously evil
I believe that a woman should be able to receive an abortion for any reason during the first trimester
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