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re: For those wanting to live in a post-Christian America, how are you enjoying it
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:51 pm to MNCTigah
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:51 pm to MNCTigah
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Rationally, I'd define evil as a callous disregard for humanity.
There’s nothing rational about that. Why should I care about another human any more than an ant? We’re all just molecules; there’s nothing special about humans. Is there?
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:54 pm to Revelator
These countries are the happiest in the world. They're also some of the least religious countries in the world as well.
They seem to be doing just fine without using a 2000 year old book as their moral compass.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 10:33 pm to Lima Whiskey
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What if they’re good for you? And would lead you towards a better life than you have now.
Would it matter?
No.
However, it's insulting to presuppose that we live in a post-Christian America as the OP originally suggested, when that wasn't the founding intent.
Simply stated, it's anathema to think that we should be governed by dictums whose authors didn't have the common sense to keep their shite out of their food supply.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 10:36 pm to Flats
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There’s nothing rational about that. Why should I care about another human any more than an ant? We’re all just molecules; there’s nothing special about humans. Is there?
Humanism is the only rationality that is defensible.
ETA: We're nothing special. But I'm not so nihilistic as to not derive any meaning to a purposeful existence.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 4/7/22 at 10:43 pm to whatkindanameiskirby
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These countries are the happiest in the world. They're also some of the least religious countries in the world as well.
They seem to be doing just fine without using a 2000 year old book as their moral compass.
I would like to see a survey question of US Christians vs the agnostic/atheist portion of society and see who is more at peace and content with their lives.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 10:52 pm to MNCTigah
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But I'm not so nihilistic as to not derive any meaning or purpose to life.
So you’re not that rational after all. You just like to claim that you are.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:04 pm to Jimbeaux
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The smart theists recognize that the smart atheists are better than the dumb ones, but they are still ignorant to the fact that they operate on a belief system just like the theists, and their suppositions are nested in a fundamentally Judeo-Christian morality. They sit in the shade of a remnant Christian tree and think that the weather is just fine.
Good is good. Santa didn’t make good.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:09 pm to Flats
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So you’re not that rational after all. You just like to claim that you are.
I'd argue otherwise. I'm okay with being a descendent of bonobos.
I appreciate the wondrousness. That's the real beauty.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:10 pm to Azkiger
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So America's younger generations could remain just as lazy and entitled as they are today, our borders remain just as open, our tax and welfare policies can still promote people to work less, our politicians can continue being self servants instead of public servants, and on and on and on...
Our prosperity is responsible for these massive ills? Well, we’re on the road to poor, so I guess we will soon start seeing some positive changes.
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We could still fix our woes despite all of that if we were just more grateful to God?
It’d be a start. Attitude is everything.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:12 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
quote:That which is “good” must be judged as such as compared to a moral standard.
Good is good. Santa didn’t make good
You act as if there is a single, objective standard for “good”. What is that standard and where does it come from?
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:18 pm to MNCTigah
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I appreciate the wondrousness. That's the real beauty.
You can’t defend that rationally. You’re just saying words. If you’re so rational and you believe in “evil”, surely you can defend it with something besides opinions. “I believe in Christianity because of the beauty of it” carries exactly as much weight as what you just said.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:25 am to Flats
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You can’t defend that rationally. You’re just saying words. If you’re so rational and you believe in “evil”, surely you can defend it with something besides opinions. “I believe in Christianity because of the beauty of it” carries exactly as much weight as what you just said.
Evil is simply humanity's definition of bad behavior. Subject to change. Humanity's morals predate Christian edicts by thousands of years. See: Confucious.
Christianity is a mish mash of paganistic beliefs. Easter is coming up... robbed from Ishtar, the Assyrian and Babylonian goddess of fertility and sex. Symbolized by the egg.
People identify with being a Christian as some sort of virtue when in fact they are historically the most murderous bunch. However you parse facts, or fit that into your worldview, is on you. I just don't find it defensible so I don't identify.
In keeping with the OP, woe to our country with Christianity's eschatological bullshite.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:35 am to Revelator
Making my exit plans, thanks!
Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:49 am to Revelator
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Revelator
conveniently born agains lecturing people is a solid strategy to bring people back to the faith
Posted on 4/8/22 at 1:15 am to jnethe1
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Who?
Egypt, Persia, China, the Greeks (Athens and Sparta mostly), Rome, etc, etc, etc...
Posted on 4/8/22 at 6:20 am to WinnPtiger
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conveniently born agains lecturing people is a solid strategy to bring people back to the faith
By lecturing, do you mean pointing out America’s obvious decline?
Posted on 4/8/22 at 6:26 am to MNCTigah
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However, it's insulting to presuppose that we live in a post-Christian America as the OP originally suggested, when that wasn't the founding intent.
My description of America as a post-Christian nation was based partly on the article which described the abysmal lack of Bible reading in this country. It’s safe to say that If people aren’t reading God’s word, they are falling away from him.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 6:27 am to whatkindanameiskirby
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These countries are the happiest in the world. They're also some of the least religious countries in the world as well.
Where in my OP am I basing my characterization of America’s spiritual state on happiness?
Posted on 4/8/22 at 6:42 am to theunknownknight
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The fact there are many many many Catholics who live thinking they can get to heaven if they are “good enough” is a testament to that
How does anyone really know that this isn't true? A book that has been altered thousands if not hundreds of thousands of times?
I'm not a Catholic, I'm just asking. How can anyone claim to really "know" what definitely does or does not get you into heaven? If you know for sure, it wouldn't be called faith would it?
Posted on 4/8/22 at 6:47 am to whatkindanameiskirby
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They seem to be doing just fine without using a 2000 year old book as their moral compass.
Outside of Germany they are also smaller countries with relatively wealthy populations who are mostly alike demographically (not to turn this into some anti-diversity thing, its just to say their countries have a lot narrower spectrum of beliefs than ours does. their right and left wings are closer together than ours in the US)
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