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re: For those that still think Obama's net neutrality is good
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:51 am to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:51 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:Nope. Local governments so that. ISPs can't pass laws.
ISPs create local monopolies blocking outside competition from entering.
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:52 am to StraightCashHomey21
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that's utter bullshite
ISPs create local monopolies blocking outside competition from entering.
Show me where no one is allowed to create a new satellite system. If an organization can fund satellite launches there is some nation willing to launch them. Russia, India, China, hell even North Korea will launch a satellite for a price. Now how is Boston, or New Orleans, or Los Angeles gonna prevent residents from signing up with Joe's Satellite Internet?
As others mentioned, ROI and cost of entry are what limit access. Profitability eventually determines access not local monopolies.
Here's a Google Search of Low earth Orbit Internet including SpaceX and a competitor's plans for for gigbit speeds and global access with the lower orbits cutting lag/latency. (One Web company plans to start launches in 2018)
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 10:02 am
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:54 am to Sidicous
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As others mentioned, ROI and cost of entry are what limit access. Profitability eventually determines access not local monopolies.
Where is Richard Hendricks when you need him.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:59 am to TX Tiger
quote:and the ATT is almost certainly DSL. so NO actually has 1 choice for truly high speed internet.
That's disingenuous when you consider availability. New Orleans is typical of any big city: according to your link AT&T has an availability of 97.4% while COX has 96.9% availability. Those really are your only choices when you consider the other "choices" have availability of 1% or less.
90 percent of the country is the same way,
only 10 percent has more than 1 option for high speed (100mps or more) internet.
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 10:00 am
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:01 am to StraightCashHomey21
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except current ISPs have no incentive to do so when they have a monopoly on markets and no new ISPs can enter to create competition. I live in a town with one real ISP that charges way over market value and has fricking data caps.
In the area I live (suburbs) I have the option of 5 cable or fiber ISPs, 4 cellular, 3 satellite and if I register as a business I would have 11 ISPs with all kinds of speed options.
And with 5g coming on board cellular will become a real option.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:05 am to notsince98
quote:"closed-door meetings" is one of my favorite idiotic and obvious attempts at spin. it makes everything seem so ominous.
which were heavily pushed by Google in hundreds of closed-door meetings
how many meetings have you ever been in where the door was open? when you go to the doctor, is the door open or closed? when the president does the state of the union, do you think the doors to the hallway are just sitting there hanging open?
its a completely meaningless phrase, yet the people who use it want you to think some dubious conspiracy is being hatched.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:06 am to MastrShake
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and the ATT is almost certainly DSL. so NO actually has 1 choice for truly high speed internet. 90 percent of the country is the same way, only 10 percent has more than 1 option for high speed (100mps or more) internet.
If you have a decent wireless plan just turn on the smartphone hotspot and use that rather than a copper/fiber facility internet service.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:06 am to notsince98
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Infowars
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:11 am to Bass Tiger
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If you have a decent wireless plan just turn on the smartphone hotspot and use that rather than a copper/fiber facility internet service.
5G will be a game changer. It will force fiber and cable to reduce prices or up service speeds.
The industry will continue to head in the right direction with the seemingly infinite demand for more speed and access. In general we should always move toward more supply and less scarcity and whenever government gets involved scarcity ensues (which is bad especially for poor people).
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:14 am to GumboPot
quote:what area is that?
In the area I live (suburbs) I have the option of 5 cable or fiber ISPs, 4 cellular, 3 satellite and if I register as a business I would have 11 ISPs with all kinds of speed options.
quote:not in terms of this. people will just go from ATT or verizon censoring their internet through a wire, to ATT or verizon censoring thier internet through cellular
And with 5g coming on board cellular will become a real option.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:18 am to GumboPot
quote:yeah i bet ATT internet will freak the frick out when ATT cellular goes to 5G. ATT will be in desperation mode because ATT has them on the ropes.
5G will be a game changer. It will force fiber and cable to reduce prices or up service speeds.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:24 am to Sidicous
I also have 3 gigabit fiber choices, 1 cable internet choice, 2 DSL and 4 wireless options. It is nice.
no matter what everyone's situation is I'm just glad to see people discussing it. Net neutrality isn't some obvious good thing for everyone.
When Amazon, Google, Facebook are the driving forces everyone should be leery. When it puts regulations on people other than Amazon, Google, Facebook, the sirens should be going off for everyone.
no matter what everyone's situation is I'm just glad to see people discussing it. Net neutrality isn't some obvious good thing for everyone.
When Amazon, Google, Facebook are the driving forces everyone should be leery. When it puts regulations on people other than Amazon, Google, Facebook, the sirens should be going off for everyone.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:25 am to MastrShake
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what area is that?
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:28 am to MastrShake
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not in terms of this. people will just go from ATT or verizon censoring their internet through a wire, to ATT or verizon censoring thier internet through cellular
I guess I'm not totally in the know on this censoring aspect, do you mean site blocking or content censorship?
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:32 am to MastrShake
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yeah i bet ATT internet will freak the frick out when ATT cellular goes to 5G. ATT will be in desperation mode because ATT has them on the ropes.
I'm kinda slow, what are you referring to here? Maybe you're just dropping some sarcasm.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:36 am to GumboPot
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5G will be a game changer. It will force fiber and cable to reduce prices or up service speeds.
Yep! If the carriers continue to expand wireless network capacity the need for fixed facilities will eventually dwindle to a small percentage of total network endpoint connections.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:46 am to GumboPot
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GumboPot
You seem real smart
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:46 am to Bass Tiger
quote:well heres the basic definition just so eveyone is clear:
I guess I'm not totally in the know on this censoring aspect, do you mean site blocking or content censorship?
"Net neutrality is the principle that Internet service providers and governments regulating the Internet should treat all data on the Internet the same, not discriminating or charging differentially by user, content, website, platform, application, type of attached equipment, or mode of communication."
so to answer your question about site blocking or content censorship, its both.
if ATT is your ISP, and they want to push directv, they could throttle the speeds for netflix or youtube or whatever so those sites are so slow people just tap out.
they could also make you pay more to get netflix, make it a separate tier of their service, and price it out of the market.
or they can censor every bad news story about ATT so that you never see them.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:48 am to MastrShake
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well heres the basic definition just so eveyone is clear:
"Net neutrality is the principle that Internet service providers and governments regulating the Internet should treat all data on the Internet the same, not discriminating or charging differentially by user, content, website, platform, application, type of attached equipment, or mode of communication."
so to answer your question about site blocking or content censorship, its both.
if ATT is your ISP, and they want to push directv, they could throttle the speeds for netflix or youtube or whatever so those sites are so slow people just tap out.
they could also make you pay more to get netflix, make it a separate tier of their service, and price it out of the market.
or they can censor every bad news story about ATT so that you never see them.
And none of these neutrality agreements would apply to Google, Amazon, facebook, etc.
This is really interesting when you start looking at services like Google Fiber, Google Fi, and some upcoming amazon projects.
Sure seems like some bad intentions behind a supposed consumer protection regulation.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:54 am to TBoy
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So Infowars doesn't understand net neutrality. Color me shocked.
Wait, so you're telling me net neutrality DOESN'T turn the friggin frogs gay?
The funniest part is, infowars is EXACTLY the kind of platform that would be dead in the water without net neutrality. All these idiots talk about the mainstream media and corrupt they are but don't realize it's those same big media conglomerates that will take over and squash access to independent outlets like infowars, and other, less stupid content providers as well.
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