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re: For those that still think Obama's net neutrality is good
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:10 am to Salmon
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:10 am to Salmon
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quote: How are ISP's government created monopolies? how do you think your local ISP got their network built?
If you're referring to pre-divestiture of " Ma Bell"/AT&T (1984) you would be correct but the network to provide high speed internet service was not built as we know it today until the early 2000's.
Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, etc. have invested hundreds of billions of shareholders dollars since 2000 to provide the network for high speed internet services.
Here's a link by city/state from AT&T's Network Investment site, look how much money is being spent annually across the US to build out and upgrade their network, this does not include their global investment.
AT&T network investment costs
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 10:01 am
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:10 am to notsince98
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I'd rather see all internet companies unregulated.
then you should be for NN
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:13 am to GumboPot
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I don't believe that getting rid of Obama's net neutrality will lead to more internet throttling and forced bundling. We currently have pathetic internet speeds in the U.S. arguably due to net neutrality. Net neutrality seems like a good method to protect current ISPs from new competition. There is nothing like good competition to keep other ISPs honest. For example, a new ISP could partner with Netflix or Hulu and lay their own fiber and offer quadrupedal the speeds of current ISPs at a slightly lower prices. Start in highly dense areas and move out. That's how you keep other ISPs honest.
You are so lost and have it totally backwards
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:15 am to Seldom Seen
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That's exactly what it is. Obama protecting his big tech buddies.
You guys are lost
and clearly don't understand anything about the internet and how it works.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:15 am to GumboPot
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So people are idiots because you don't like their purchases?
I dont like greed to control public domain. Call me crazy.
I dont like it when already exising things are resold to us a higher price.
I also wouldnt enjoy paying a toll on a road paid for by taxes.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:16 am to TX Tiger
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So does every other media outlet. Not sure what your point is here? Surely you aren't saying that MSM is any more truth based.
Im not even a big main stream media guy. 24 hour news cycle ruined it. With that daid if you get news from infowars your a fricking idiot for trustung that dishonesy piece of shite alex jones. Infowars is not news. It is propaganda period. No other use for whats on there at all.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:18 am to GumboPot
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1. Propose fiber routes. 2. Hire survey company. 3. Conduct survey and engineering. 4. Acquire ROW, easements and permits. 5. Bid out project. 6. Execute project. 7. Start up. 8. Hook up new costumers
except current ISPs have no incentive to do so when they have a monopoly on markets and no new ISPs can enter to create competition. I live in a town with one real ISP that charges way over market value and has fricking data caps.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:21 am to Salmon
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quote: New players will always be ready to step in when old players get fat, expensive and lazy (especially in high destiny areas). why haven't they?
You know venture capitalists have looked at the ISP market and found out the profit margins are not nearly as attractive as getting in on the ground floor of other tech upstart investments.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:22 am to GumboPot
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Prices are too low and service is good enough.
that's a lie
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:22 am to GumboPot
quote:That's disingenuous when you consider availability. New Orleans is typical of any big city: according to your link AT&T has an availability of 97.4% while COX has 96.9% availability. Those really are your only choices when you consider the other "choices" have availability of 1% or less.
why haven't they?
There are over 2500 ISPs currently in the U.S. LINK
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:25 am to oklahogjr
quote:And that would be different from what exactly?
Im not even a big main stream media guy. 24 hour news cycle ruined it. With that daid if you get news from infowars your a fricking idiot for trustung that dishonesy piece of shite alex jones. Infowars is not news. It is propaganda period. No other use for whats on there at all.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:28 am to GumboPot
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Yeah, I'm afraid that the NPR bundle will be $9.99 per month and the InfoWars bundle will be $99.99 per month under government run internet.
Actually if ISPs have their way they will filter the sites they want to push you too.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:29 am to Bass Tiger
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profit margins are not nearly as attractive
So its cheaper now, right? So if the margins were attractive then it would be more expensive? Do you want companies to make it more expensive?
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:29 am to Sidicous
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There is nothing stopping anyone from opening an ISP business. It's up to individuals and investors and strategy if the new ISP will survive though.
that's utter bullshite
ISPs create local monopolies blocking outside competition from entering.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:35 am to BamaAtl
quote:Because I don't mind paying for my own stuff. If CNN is worth $5/mont I pay for it. If it's not. I don't.
You're in favor of this: Why?
The same applies to everyone else. If ISPs are delivering you something you'd pay $5/month for for free-- hey are underchargeing based ont eh actual value of their service.
It's always hilarious when people say "there is no free market" and simultaneously say: "we don't want to pay demand-based prices for stuff!"
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:37 am to GumboPot
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We currently have pathetic internet speeds in the U.S. arguably due to net neutrality. Net neutrality seems like a good method to protect current ISPs from new competition.
Did you just make this shite up?
We have pathetic speeds because of the lack of competition. The lack of competition means that cable companies have the upper hand when it comes to setting prices. The lack of competition has nothing to do with net neutrality.
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 9:40 am
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:41 am to Salmon
quote:The ROI on capital is too low. Customers aren't willing to pay what it costs to deliver the service.
why are there not more ISPs right now?
Ultimately, that is why the market isn't "free". Crony consumerism has been used to leverage cheaper than market prices at the expense of others in the market (non-retail accounts).
There is nothing preventing a new entrant from trying to change local laws. But you don't see any demand to do so. No one wants into the business, because it's not very profitable.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:45 am to Taxing Authority
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Crony consumerism has been used to leverage cheaper than market prices at the expense of others in the market (non-retail accounts).
I know I feel bad.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:45 am to Bass Tiger
quote:Would have never happened without the telco bill of 1996, and the breakup of he Bell monopoly. Ironically, access-proponents want to put that monopoly back together. Hint:so does AT&T.
If you're referring to pre-divestiture of " Ma Bell"/AT&T (1984) you would be correct but the network to provide high speed internet service was not built as we know it today until the early 2000's.
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 9:52 am
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:49 am to Ebbandflow
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I dont like greed to control public domain. Call me crazy.
I dont like it when already exising things are resold to us a higher price.
then you know NOTHING about he FCC. You do realize that the FCC auctions off radio bandwidth to the highest bidder all the time, right? Not to mention the rampant graft of the commissioners...
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