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re: For those in favor of Single Payor govt healthcare, why do Canadians come here

Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:20 pm to
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:20 pm to
quote:

The British health care system worked fine until the EU crippled it. Letting any EU citizen just show up and get care but a huge strain on the system.


Every other European country has a UHC system.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125553 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:21 pm to
You can get hepatitis for free in Mexico.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125553 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:23 pm to
quote:

Every other European country has a UHC system.


So what he said was incorrect?
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154738 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:24 pm to
Are you fine with reducing our military spending to EU levels so we can further increase our spending on entitlements?
Posted by planck
interlocality
Member since May 2017
9 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

Stem cell treatment for MS.


The only care Americans travel to other countries to get is care the government does not allow to happen here. Your solution is more government in healthcare?
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116771 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

if you don't want to wait


This.

Dr. Canuck: 'So, ma'am, you want breast enhancement surgery? No problem. We've got you down for Wednesday.'

Her: 'Wonderful!'

Dr. Canuck: "Yep. Wednesday, June 28, 2021. I'll be retired by then but I'll leave a message in my files for my replacement."
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:26 pm to
quote:

Are you fine with reducing our military spending to EU levels so we can further increase our spending on entitlements?


Overall or as a percentage?
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
23161 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:26 pm to
quote:

If there system is so great, why then do they come here for some of their healthcare?


Because they can afford concierge care?

quote:

Don't you think if the US went to single payor we would also see these same issues popping up like in Canada?


Well, the concierge physicians aren't going anywhere. They are here, and more would become available with any single payor system implementation. So, no, I don't think you would have similar medical tourism behavior from US medical consumers. Their higher cost alternative is already here.
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:35 pm to
quote:

Examples please.


The thousands of people per year that vote with their health and dollars to pursue it? That would be my first point.

Same source as op from the bottom of that page:

LINK

LINK

LINK

I would link some of the studies from that last thread we spoke, where the issue of quality came up elsewhere, but I am not sure what good it would do when you would probably just spend 8 pages trying to argue a misrepresentation of context. No offense, not exactly my idea of time well spent.


Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:41 pm to
I see nothing to indicate that this is a true statement:

quote:

there are a lot of countries that can provide the same quality at lower prices and better amenities


Low cost OR good ammenities OR quality care does not equal what you said.

quote:

I am not sure what good it would do when you would probably just spend 8 pages trying to argue a misrepresentation of context.


Well, lesson learned is to be accurate from the start. You call it semantics, I call it accuracy. When people like BamaAtl use these things to flat out lie, it's amusing. When people with authority to make change do it, it's a concern.

Just, be accurate with your information and your words. It's not that hard.
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:49 pm to
quote:


Are you fine with reducing our military spending to EU levels so we can further increase our spending on entitlements?


Why is it either or? We currently spend more in public money in healthcare per person than all but like 2 or 3 out of 58 UHC countries?

If anything, after the initial investment, operating costs should be brought down depending on what reform you pursue.

It is crazy to go on as a country having three separate bureaucracies that all do basically the same function but in vastly different ways....with talk now of adding a fourth in subsidized high-risk pools.

Or prevent our government from saving itself and consumers money by negotiating drug prices. The savings of which could partially be used in any number of manners.

Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:01 pm to
6 minutes and you read all that and did enough of a deep dive into the topic to take such a hostile and declarative position?

After just asking me to be the one to inform you on the topic?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:04 pm to

Actual visit to Canadian healthcare system.



LINK
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
16957 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:05 pm to
Why do Americans go to Canada and Mexico to buy prescription drugs?
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154738 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

Overall or as a percentage?


To the same percentage they spend.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154738 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

operating costs should be brought down


should? But may not?

The money has to come from somewhere. FedGov has done little to prove they are capable of reducing true costs and still little else to reduce claims.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:09 pm to
quote:

6 minutes


Sweet deflection, but we're approaching four hours here.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135699 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:13 pm to
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We currently spend more in public money in healthcare per person than all but like 2 or 3 out of 58 UHC countries?
It is unbelievable you continue to cite that as evidence UHC would be successful here
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125553 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:17 pm to
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Why do Americans go to Canada and Mexico to buy prescription drugs?


They go to Canada because Canada has a closed market which provides some medications at a discount. They go to Mexico because the economy there is so shitty, the demand for pharmaceuticals is low.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126632 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:56 pm to
quote:

Every other European country has a UHC system.


Yea but no where near the quality of care as Britain and Germany. When you have new EU countries from former soviet states where health care was almost not there at all, now having access to good care and a new country to live in. What do you think is going to happen.
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