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re: Food stamp prohibitions
Posted on 8/8/18 at 7:52 pm to Lickitty Split
Posted on 8/8/18 at 7:52 pm to Lickitty Split
You don't know every single person that's on food stamps and/or welfare. A lot of them are genuinely good people who have had a rough go of it. But my experiences, much like yours, are completely anecdotal.
Other than the fact that policing people like that is downright authoritarian and militant, it's practically impossible to enforce. You would spend more tax dollars attempting to keep people out than you would save.
Other than the fact that policing people like that is downright authoritarian and militant, it's practically impossible to enforce. You would spend more tax dollars attempting to keep people out than you would save.
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 7:55 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Orrrrrrrr Just got rid of food stamps and other government entitlements
There’s nothing wrong with food stamps. They provide a necessity and in the grand scheme of things costs us next to nothing. I’m fine with not letting people buy sodas and cookies with them but the do provide for people who need them.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 8:02 pm to Lickitty Split
The easiest way to reduce the incentive to be on food stamps is to limit what kind of food can be purchased with it.
Then calculate the number of mouths to feed in the household and multiply it by a reasonable amount of this food.
Just by doing this the state will save money because it will be obvious that people are given a huge excess in food stamps.
Plus the leaches will miss their shrimp, steak, and potato chips so will look for a job to make money to buy this.
Then finally everyone on food stamps that is capable of working needs to report every 2 weeks which jobs they applied for. Spot checks are done and anyone caught lying is barred from food stamps.
Everyone else capable of working should be considered on call for civic service when needed.
Then calculate the number of mouths to feed in the household and multiply it by a reasonable amount of this food.
Just by doing this the state will save money because it will be obvious that people are given a huge excess in food stamps.
Plus the leaches will miss their shrimp, steak, and potato chips so will look for a job to make money to buy this.
Then finally everyone on food stamps that is capable of working needs to report every 2 weeks which jobs they applied for. Spot checks are done and anyone caught lying is barred from food stamps.
Everyone else capable of working should be considered on call for civic service when needed.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 8:03 pm to Lickitty Split
Moar government
Posted on 8/8/18 at 8:05 pm to Wednesday
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edit: although I do agree. The FDA should regulate what that EBT card will cover.
If you're looking for an authority on nutrition you couldn't do much worse.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 8:08 pm to BurningHeart
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Then finally everyone on food stamps that is capable of working needs to report every 2 weeks which jobs they applied for. Spot checks are done and anyone caught lying is barred from food stamps.
So your solution to the problem is a fricking massive increase if the bureaucracy to manage it that will provide zero cost savings. You're essentially willing to spend more money to make poor people miserable.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 8:09 pm to DavidTheGnome
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There’s nothing wrong with food stamps. They provide a necessity and in the grand scheme of things costs us next to nothing.
It's just something low information conservatives love to get worked up about. So stupid
Posted on 8/8/18 at 8:14 pm to Powerman
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So your solution to the problem is a fricking massive increase if the bureaucracy to manage it that will provide zero cost savings. You're essentially willing to spend more money to make poor people miserable.
You must be young or just inexperienced in the world. This s not a massive increase in bureaucracy, it is already done for unemployment claims. Just needs to be extended to food stamps.
Simple.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 8:16 pm to Powerman
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It's just something low information conservatives love to get worked up about. So stupid
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About 860,000 Louisiana residents -- or 19 percent of the state's population -- use the Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program, better known as food stamps, to help pay for groceries.
LINK
If you don't understand the link between unemployment and the speed/health of an economy, you have bigger problems.
Again you are either young or just ignorant of the world.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 8:41 pm to Powerman
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If you're looking for an authority on nutrition you couldn't do much worse.
You’re probably right. But even a bureaucrat can figure out that a Big Gulp and skittles have a black hole of a nutritional value.
I almost lapsed into a second hand diabetic coma watching her use my money to pay for that shite.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:13 pm to Wednesday
More than half of people on SNAP have jobs.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:15 pm to BurningHeart
Read the article a bit more closely. 9% of the population that's on food stamps is unemployed. The rest have a job and/or are elderly/disabled. Out of the entire state population that's less than 2% of Louisianans that are both unemployed and on food stamps.
I'm not sure if yall are just ignoring these facts or can't comprehend them, but age has nothing to do with the various sources state that most people on food stamps are not leeches. You would spend FAR more money trying to enforce an unconstitutional and frankly, unamerican policy on an incredibly small population of people.
A lot of people on these boards claim to be about america, and about freedom, but you oppose everything this country stands for. You don't care for your own countryman unless they behave the way YOU want. Because YOU made it so why can't they? frick any advantages you may have had in the past, it was all hard work and anyone that is down on their luck just isn't trying.
Yall claim to stand for America but that's just flat out wrong. Get your heads out of your asses.
I'm not sure if yall are just ignoring these facts or can't comprehend them, but age has nothing to do with the various sources state that most people on food stamps are not leeches. You would spend FAR more money trying to enforce an unconstitutional and frankly, unamerican policy on an incredibly small population of people.
A lot of people on these boards claim to be about america, and about freedom, but you oppose everything this country stands for. You don't care for your own countryman unless they behave the way YOU want. Because YOU made it so why can't they? frick any advantages you may have had in the past, it was all hard work and anyone that is down on their luck just isn't trying.
Yall claim to stand for America but that's just flat out wrong. Get your heads out of your asses.
This post was edited on 8/8/18 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:30 pm to Odysseus32
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Read the article a bit more closely. 9% of the population that's on food stamps is unemployed. The rest have a job and/or are elderly/disabled. Out of the entire state population that's less than 2% of Louisianans that are both unemployed and on food stamps.
Being employed while on SNAP does not mean they would have or strive for the same job if they didn't have the option of getting supplemental assistance.
You really think the SNAP program is running 100% optimal?
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:32 pm to Odysseus32
And the definition of "disabled" needs to be looked at.
I can guarantee you many of these "disabled" people can perfectly hold some sort of job. They just choose not to seek out employment because again, the taxpayers are subsidizing their life.
I can guarantee you many of these "disabled" people can perfectly hold some sort of job. They just choose not to seek out employment because again, the taxpayers are subsidizing their life.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:35 pm to BurningHeart
No I don't think it's 100% optimal.
Nothing in life is. Nothing. I think it's a system that does work for some, and if some Americans are being helped better themselves through it then I am all for it.
Sure it can be improved. I don't know how, but I sure do know that trying to push through more legislature to waste taxpayer money in an initiative that will cost more money than it will ultimately save is not the way to go about it.
For a reason, I'm not the person coming up with these ideas. That's left to better men. But I do understand that OP's idea is shortsighted and shows a complete lack of basic understanding of the situation altogether. It's something one of my redneck buddies in high school would have thought up while drunk.
Nothing in life is. Nothing. I think it's a system that does work for some, and if some Americans are being helped better themselves through it then I am all for it.
Sure it can be improved. I don't know how, but I sure do know that trying to push through more legislature to waste taxpayer money in an initiative that will cost more money than it will ultimately save is not the way to go about it.
For a reason, I'm not the person coming up with these ideas. That's left to better men. But I do understand that OP's idea is shortsighted and shows a complete lack of basic understanding of the situation altogether. It's something one of my redneck buddies in high school would have thought up while drunk.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:35 pm to BurningHeart
How in the world would you know?! Do you know every disabled person in Louisiana?
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:39 pm to Odysseus32
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No I don't think it's 100% optimal. Nothing in life is. Nothing. I think it's a system that does work for some, and if some Americans are being helped better themselves through it then I am all for it. Sure it can be improved. I don't know how, but I sure do know that trying to push through more legislature to waste taxpayer money in an initiative that will cost more money than it will ultimately save is not the way to go about it. For a reason, I'm not the person coming up with these ideas. That's left to better men. But I do understand that OP's idea is shortsighted and shows a complete lack of basic understanding of the situation altogether. It's something one of my redneck buddies in high school would have thought up while drunk.
Yes, so I agree with your entire post.
What's the problem then? I posted a very reasonable method to reduce SNAP costs and encourage more Louisiana residents to seek out employment, but there has been no response to it yet.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:40 pm to Odysseus32
I just want to understand exactly what you’re saying. You’re cool with subsidizing casinos and strip clubs by people who receive free or subsidized housing, receive snap benefits, and receive free healthcare.
So it’s okay to make shitty life decisions and have your priorities backwards and we are all supposed to pay for it because you don’t value the right things?
All I’m saying is if you receive certain government benefits (I’m not talking about social security or unemployment benefits that a person has paid into) you should be restricted from buying certain products or enjoying certain adult entertainment that is generally construed as vices. I’m all for freedom. You have the freedom to not sign up for snap or government housing etc. you give up freedoms when you do. Look at the government housing. You can no longer smoke inside or within 25 feet of the premises or you will be removed.
I’m all for freedom to smoke in any private establishment that allows it including casinos and bars. Of course, here in Baton Rouge and other areas they have banned smoking in these establishments. That’s not freedom. I’m not even a smoker. I don’t want to subsidize someone’s bad habits or decisions.
It’s similar to giving welfare to people who have kids they can’t afford to take care. If you can’t take care of them then you should do the right thing and allow them to be adopted by someone willing and wanting.
So it’s okay to make shitty life decisions and have your priorities backwards and we are all supposed to pay for it because you don’t value the right things?
All I’m saying is if you receive certain government benefits (I’m not talking about social security or unemployment benefits that a person has paid into) you should be restricted from buying certain products or enjoying certain adult entertainment that is generally construed as vices. I’m all for freedom. You have the freedom to not sign up for snap or government housing etc. you give up freedoms when you do. Look at the government housing. You can no longer smoke inside or within 25 feet of the premises or you will be removed.
I’m all for freedom to smoke in any private establishment that allows it including casinos and bars. Of course, here in Baton Rouge and other areas they have banned smoking in these establishments. That’s not freedom. I’m not even a smoker. I don’t want to subsidize someone’s bad habits or decisions.
It’s similar to giving welfare to people who have kids they can’t afford to take care. If you can’t take care of them then you should do the right thing and allow them to be adopted by someone willing and wanting.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:41 pm to Odysseus32
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How in the world would you know?! Do you know every disabled person in Louisiana?
Did I say every, or many?
It's a very reasonable assumption based on the way welfare programs are structured and something to be looked at.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:49 pm to Odysseus32
I’m offended by your racist comment.
You must be some smug liberal who doesn’t believe in personal responsibility. You are a racist. You shouldn’t be allowed to comment on message boards or post on twitter or Facebook.
You must be some smug liberal who doesn’t believe in personal responsibility. You are a racist. You shouldn’t be allowed to comment on message boards or post on twitter or Facebook.
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