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re: Floyd did not die from asphyxiation
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:43 pm to Mrtommorrow1987
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:43 pm to Mrtommorrow1987
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I think that he should have given the dude medical attention when he said he couldn’t breath but I don’t think the knee on him killed him.
Interesting to imagine the results of a policy that requires police to let go of a suspect who says “I can’t breath” (the act of which proves that he can). About to lose that fight with the officer? Tell him you can’t breathe, he’ll be required to let you go, then resume your previous efforts.
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Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:48 pm to Ingeniero
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So it's ok for an officer to kneel on someone's neck, up until the point they don't have a pulse? That should be the defining point where they stop kneeling on one's neck?
I've also said in numerous threads that the knee should've been between the shoulder blades... not on the neck
I don't know why he used that technique... I would love to hear his explanation why
but again... the ME seems to make apparently clear that all the suspects airways were open
ETA: and if the issue was with the deceased's heart... it's still very possible he dies even if the officer does have his knee between the shoulder blades
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:51 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
He was cuffed cuz when he was on his stomach screaming he couldn’t breath. Look man I’ve had to hold people down who have punched, kicked, attempted to stab me. I’m not saying the outcome would have changed bc I don’t think the officer killed him. I just don’t think he helped him and was negligent to the fact the dude was essentially dead under his knee.
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:56 pm to ljhog
quote:Well he was handcuffed for quite a while and was still breathing. It wasn't until he was laying face down with a knee to the back of the neck that he became unconscious and stopped breathing.
And we can just as easily infer that being restrained could mean being handcuffed. These are criminal charges. Inference is not sufficient for conviction, IMO.
I get what you're saying though. With criminal charges it must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, which could be somewhat difficult to in this situation. Especially depending on the official coroner's report and the toxicology report. As of now, the restraint being listed as a contributing factor weakens the case for the prosecution.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 6:11 pm to ljhog
Let’s do a test. I will handcuff one of you guys and have people hold you down and then I will kneel on your neck for 8-9 minutes.
If they determine or was delirium or whatever I will go to my pool and have a nice umbrella drink. Let your family deal with it
If they determine or was delirium or whatever I will go to my pool and have a nice umbrella drink. Let your family deal with it
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 6:12 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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With criminal charges it must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt
True, but it's the group of 12 laypeople who determine whether the prosecution met that burden of "beyond a reasonable doubt". We of course aren't able to precisely ascertain what each juror's thought process was in reaching his or her own decision, but rest assured....there's plenty of inference used by jurors more often than not. For instance, in the case of circumstantial evidence, inference plays quite the large role. It's really the only way circumstantial evidence to be successful.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 6:15 pm to TigerCruise
We need to not let the media forget about his next time they tell us we need to wait for all the facts to come out.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 6:18 pm to JG77056
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He also concluded that the officer’s restraint of Floyd was a contributing factor in the last sentence, so....
Heart problems plus drugs plus ANYTHING that produces severe stress can result in death. I'd say getting arrested at all is probably pretty stressful.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 6:21 pm to Morgus
I’m posting this again because well
May I ask relatively important question but nobody I have seen has asked it.... and now not answered it
Was there any details of bruising, discoloration, or fractures on Mr Floyd’s body?
To me there’s your case, with any of these it’s over.
May I ask relatively important question but nobody I have seen has asked it.... and now not answered it
Was there any details of bruising, discoloration, or fractures on Mr Floyd’s body?
To me there’s your case, with any of these it’s over.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 6:22 pm to TigerCruise
And Jeffrey Epstein killed himself.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 6:23 pm to sms151t
quote:
May I ask relatively important question but nobody I have seen has asked it.... and now not answered it
Was there any details of bruising, discoloration, or fractures on Mr Floyd’s body?
To me there’s your case, with any of these it’s over.
What if none of those things are present? Does it change your opinion of whether or not he asphyxiated even after watching the video?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 6:23 pm to sms151t
quote:
I’m posting this again because well
May I ask relatively important question but nobody I have seen has asked it.... and now not answered it
Was there any details of bruising, discoloration, or fractures on Mr Floyd’s body?
To me there’s your case, with any of these it’s over.
nothing in that probable cause report said anything about any fractures, discoloration, bruising, etc. on the body
not to say none existed... just that that piece of info hasn't been released yet
the one place the ME did make sure to note that there was no bruising at all was on the windpipe
Posted on 5/29/20 at 6:25 pm to Yellerhammer5
It becomes something other than the policeman caused the death and you can not convict because there’s reasonable doubt
Facts and things
Facts and things
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 6:29 pm to sms151t
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It becomes something other than the policeman caused the death and you can not convict because there’s reasonable doubt
Asphyxia doesn't require any bruising or fractures. It takes 4-5 pounds of pressure to constrict the neck veins and about double that to constrict the arteries of the neck. If the person is not struggling or fighting back, its less likely to produce any signs at autopsy. The best tool for determining cause of death in this case is the video. Even if he had a heart attack during the arrest, you wouldn't see it at autopsy.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 6:29 pm to sms151t
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It becomes something other than the policeman caused the death and you can not convict because there’s reasonable doubt
Real fricking convenient he happened to die when an officer had his knee on his neck. Really I feel like I’m arguing with people that think that Epstein actually killed himself. You’re all fricking hacks, and likely racist hacks at that.
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 6:32 pm to OMLandshark
Nah kid I’m a bigot just like you and everyone else. Go play with kids. Be real with yourself and stop living a lie.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 6:35 pm to sms151t
quote:
Nah kid I’m a bigot just like you and everyone else. Go play with kids. Be real with yourself and stop living a lie.
believe science
until the science says it's a heart attack, not asphyxiation
or penis = boy & vagina = girl
Posted on 5/29/20 at 6:36 pm to sms151t
quote:
Nah kid I’m a bigot just like you and everyone else. Go play with kids. Be real with yourself and stop living a lie.
If you believe that Epstein didn’t kill himself, then I don’t see how you can possibly think that this person wasn’t killed by the officer. There’s only one major difference in these two and it’s that this was caught on fricking camera.
If this was a black cop doing this to a white guy, you would see it for what it is. If it was white guy doing this to another white guy, you would also see it for what it is. But since it’s a black guy and a white officer, then they can’t be related. I’m absolutely accusing you of being a racist, which is sadly an overly used term these days. This time it’s appropriate. Go frick yourself.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 6:37 pm to OMLandshark
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You’re all fricking hacks, and likely racist hacks at that.
Says the "Ole Miss Rebels" fan
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 6:37 pm to Mithridates6
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Says the "Ole Miss" fan
That’s when you know your argument is at the bottom of the barrel when you attack someone’s fanbase.
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