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re: FISA is expanding.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:02 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:02 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
Bongino made a point a couple of years ago about one of the Flynn transcripts. I guess there was no FISA warrant. His point was the tapping had to come from another country. That sicko Brennan probably had people spying on the Trump team.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:06 pm to Bunk Moreland
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Bongino made a point a couple of years ago about one of the Flynn transcripts. I guess there was no FISA warrant. His point was the tapping had to come from another country. That sicko Brennan probably had people spying on the Trump team.
I actually think it was more sinister than that. I think the Obama admin kicked out the Russian diplomats knowing the incoming NSA advisor would call the Russian Ambassador so they just needed to know where he was at and they could purposely capture the phone call/ tap it without a warrant with "incidental - On purpose" surveillance. The entire thing was a gross gross federal overreach and just absolutely ridiculous that people didn't lose their livelihoods over it.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:09 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
Did they also know Flynn would lie about the substance of the phone call for almost two months?
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:10 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
That part is coming back to me, too. I seem to remember Flynn was on vacation overseas, which somehow made it easier for them to do this.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:11 pm to POTUS2024
Did you guys forget all about the judge who stated that the small sample of data they took from NSA, the system had been used for "ask" queries 1000s of times by people who had no business probing the people they were searching info on? She said then if we extrapolated the timeline its safe to say 10,000 times in a few years at least. The UN rep had 100s of queries and she told congress "someone must have stolen my library card" (I paraphrase) and nothing, nada, zilch was done.
This was in violation of any FISA laws already in place at the time and they did it anyway.
I say again FISA is just lipstick on a pig, it does nothing to prevent people from abusing the NSA system if there is no DOJ to stop it.
And even if no FISA was passed they will do it, the same as they have done since the 1940s.
This was in violation of any FISA laws already in place at the time and they did it anyway.
I say again FISA is just lipstick on a pig, it does nothing to prevent people from abusing the NSA system if there is no DOJ to stop it.
And even if no FISA was passed they will do it, the same as they have done since the 1940s.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:13 pm to trinidadtiger
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A U.S. court found that the FBI improperly searched for information in a U.S. database of foreign intelligence 278,000 times over several years, including on Americans suspected of crimes, according to a ruling released on Friday.
The decision by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court was released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI).
LINK
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How bad is warrantless spying by our government? Pretty bad. Last April, Inspector General Michael Horowitz testified that in 2021 (the most recent year for which data is available) U.S. intelligence agencies made more than 3.4 million search queries of the NSA database and that of these, about 30 percent were “non-compliant searches,” which means they fell outside the normal rules and regulations. In other words, they were illegal. Horowitz also revealed that the number of federal government employees who have the ability to conduct these illegal searches is more than 10,000.
LINK
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:15 pm to boosiebadazz
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Did they also know Flynn would lie about the substance of the phone call for almost two months?
He didn't fricking lie
They had the phone call. They lied
Piece of shyt
The govt lied - he took a plea for lying even though sanctions were never discussed on the phone call which is why the govt had to drop the fking case. YOu dumb fk.
LINK
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:16 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
FISA is a rigged game. For them to unmask and track an American, all they need is a foreign person to communicate with or just mention that person.
The Brennan Center has published this 'one pager' about this new renewal. You can get the [link=(file:///Users/MACAIR/Downloads/BCJ%20one-pager%20on%20ECSP%20provision%204-15-24.pdf)]pdf.[/link] But here are the contents:
The Senate Must Stop “One of the Most Dramatic and Terrifying
Expansions of Government Surveillance Authority in History”
The Reforming Intelligence and Securing America Act (RISAA), as amended in the House, authorizes the largest expansion of surveillance on domestic soil since the Patriot Act. The potential for abuse of this new authority is staggering, and the Senate must prevent it from becoming law.
How It Works. Under current law, the government conducts Section 702 surveillance with the compelled assistance of “electronic communications service providers,” such as Verizon and Google, that have direct access to Americans’ communications. The government obtains orders from the FISA Court requiring the companies to provide assistance, generally by turning over the communications of designated targets. RISAA vastly expands the universe of entities that can be compelled to provide assistance to include providers of any service, as long as they have access to equipment on which communications are transmitted or stored. This sweeps in an enormous range of U.S. businesses that provide wifi to their customers and therefore have access to routers or other equipment on which communications transit.
• Although the provision exempts hotels, libraries, restaurants, and a handful of other establishments, the vast majority of U.S. businesses—department stores, barber shops, laundromats, hardware stores, dentist’s offices, fitness centers—would be fair game. So would
the commercial landlords that lease the office space where tens of millions of Americans go to work every day, including the offices of journalists, lawyers, nonprofits, and others.
• The provision would even encompass service providers who come to our homes. House cleaners, people performing repairs, plumbers, IT service providers—anyone who might have access to a laptop or router within the home could be compelled to serve as a surrogate spy for the NSA.
• Unlike Verizon or Google, most of these businesses and individuals would lack the ability to isolate and turn over individual communications. They would therefore be forced to give the NSA access to the equipment itself, or to copy and turn over entire repositories of stored communications, including countless communications between and among Americans. The NSA would be on the “honor system” to pull out and retain only the communication of foreign targets.
What the government says. The administration denies that it has any intent to make full use of this sweeping authority. Indeed, House intelligence committee members portrayed it as a “narrow” fix to their inability to compel assistance from a single provider. But whatever the claimed intent, there is nothing “narrow” about this measure, and nothing to stop this administration—or a future one—from using the power to its fullest.
• One of the FISA Court’s amici curiae (outside experts appointed to assist the court) took the highly unusual step of going public with his concerns about this provision. He warned that “[t]he breadth of the new definition is obvious,” and that it would sweep in “delivery personnel, cleaning contractors, and utility providers.”
• Senator Ron Wyden, who has a history of issuing prescient warnings about surveillance overreach, stated that this provision “represents one of the most dramatic and terrifying expansions of government surveillance authority in history.”
No democracy should allow its government to have such an Orwellian power. If there is an opportunity to remove this provision by amendment, the Senate should remove it. If the provision is not removed, the Senate should not pass RISAA.
The White House and intelligence committees will say there’s no time to get this right, because Section 702 is set to expire on April 19. But on April 4, the administration obtained approval from the FISA Court to continue conducting Section 702 surveillance until April of 2025. According to the government itself, that approval will “grandfather” Section 702 surveillance for a year even if Section 702 itself were to lapse. The Senate must not let a meaningless deadline pressure it into creating a surveillance state.
For questions about Section 702, contact Liza Goitein at goiteine@brennan.law.nyu.edu or Noah Chauvin
at chauvinn@brennan.law.nyu.edu.
The Brennan Center has published this 'one pager' about this new renewal. You can get the [link=(file:///Users/MACAIR/Downloads/BCJ%20one-pager%20on%20ECSP%20provision%204-15-24.pdf)]pdf.[/link] But here are the contents:
The Senate Must Stop “One of the Most Dramatic and Terrifying
Expansions of Government Surveillance Authority in History”
The Reforming Intelligence and Securing America Act (RISAA), as amended in the House, authorizes the largest expansion of surveillance on domestic soil since the Patriot Act. The potential for abuse of this new authority is staggering, and the Senate must prevent it from becoming law.
How It Works. Under current law, the government conducts Section 702 surveillance with the compelled assistance of “electronic communications service providers,” such as Verizon and Google, that have direct access to Americans’ communications. The government obtains orders from the FISA Court requiring the companies to provide assistance, generally by turning over the communications of designated targets. RISAA vastly expands the universe of entities that can be compelled to provide assistance to include providers of any service, as long as they have access to equipment on which communications are transmitted or stored. This sweeps in an enormous range of U.S. businesses that provide wifi to their customers and therefore have access to routers or other equipment on which communications transit.
• Although the provision exempts hotels, libraries, restaurants, and a handful of other establishments, the vast majority of U.S. businesses—department stores, barber shops, laundromats, hardware stores, dentist’s offices, fitness centers—would be fair game. So would
the commercial landlords that lease the office space where tens of millions of Americans go to work every day, including the offices of journalists, lawyers, nonprofits, and others.
• The provision would even encompass service providers who come to our homes. House cleaners, people performing repairs, plumbers, IT service providers—anyone who might have access to a laptop or router within the home could be compelled to serve as a surrogate spy for the NSA.
• Unlike Verizon or Google, most of these businesses and individuals would lack the ability to isolate and turn over individual communications. They would therefore be forced to give the NSA access to the equipment itself, or to copy and turn over entire repositories of stored communications, including countless communications between and among Americans. The NSA would be on the “honor system” to pull out and retain only the communication of foreign targets.
What the government says. The administration denies that it has any intent to make full use of this sweeping authority. Indeed, House intelligence committee members portrayed it as a “narrow” fix to their inability to compel assistance from a single provider. But whatever the claimed intent, there is nothing “narrow” about this measure, and nothing to stop this administration—or a future one—from using the power to its fullest.
• One of the FISA Court’s amici curiae (outside experts appointed to assist the court) took the highly unusual step of going public with his concerns about this provision. He warned that “[t]he breadth of the new definition is obvious,” and that it would sweep in “delivery personnel, cleaning contractors, and utility providers.”
• Senator Ron Wyden, who has a history of issuing prescient warnings about surveillance overreach, stated that this provision “represents one of the most dramatic and terrifying expansions of government surveillance authority in history.”
No democracy should allow its government to have such an Orwellian power. If there is an opportunity to remove this provision by amendment, the Senate should remove it. If the provision is not removed, the Senate should not pass RISAA.
The White House and intelligence committees will say there’s no time to get this right, because Section 702 is set to expire on April 19. But on April 4, the administration obtained approval from the FISA Court to continue conducting Section 702 surveillance until April of 2025. According to the government itself, that approval will “grandfather” Section 702 surveillance for a year even if Section 702 itself were to lapse. The Senate must not let a meaningless deadline pressure it into creating a surveillance state.
For questions about Section 702, contact Liza Goitein at goiteine@brennan.law.nyu.edu or Noah Chauvin
at chauvinn@brennan.law.nyu.edu.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:20 pm to POTUS2024
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House intelligence committee members portrayed it as a “narrow” fix to their inability to compel assistance from a single provider.
What is this about? Now that it’s public, shine some sunlight on this and narrow the proposed bill if this entity is worth strongarming into compliance.
This post was edited on 4/15/24 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:34 pm to POTUS2024
quote:Have we? Damn near every congress slimeball that voted for it will be re-elected.
FISA is expanding. We have been betrayed.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:38 pm to POTUS2024
quote:We had a president impeached and resign for this.
The amendment even extends to service providers who come into our homes. House cleaners, plumbers, people performing repairs
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:39 pm to boosiebadazz
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What is this about? Now that it’s public, shine some sunlight on this and narrow the proposed bill if this entity is worth strongarming into compliance.
This is one of the things raising red flags. Wide open for abuse.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:54 pm to Bunk Moreland
Thanks Bunk.
Did you guys read this:
quote:
U.S. intelligence agencies made more than 3.4 million search queries of the NSA database and that of these, about 30 percent were “non-compliant searches,”
This means 1,000,000 times they illegally spied, EVEN WITH FISA IN PLACE it was outside the scope.
Put simply, they have been spying and will spy no matter what the law says. Do you think they give a shat about your precious FISA arguments?
Posted on 4/15/24 at 10:26 pm to Damone
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Really glad Trump signed the FISA extension!
Notice this got a lot of downvotes but no comments. I was amazed at the lack of action by Trump on this issue. They literally used this against him and his campaign and when reauthorization came up, he fricking signed it.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 10:39 pm to gmac8604
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So you’re saying if I scratch earth to plant seed, and if I look behind me to keep a straight row, I’m going to hell?
I can tell you have never driven a tractor or a plow, and are just being contentious. You know how?
Because if you turn your head to look back there is no way you will keep a straight line. You will veer off in the direction you turn your head. Always.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:45 am to Damone
No. What's stunning is that you think a 212-212 vote is normal.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:32 am to POTUS2024
nm
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 8:51 am
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:40 am to trinidadtiger
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I say again FISA is just lipstick on a pig, it does nothing to prevent people from abusing the NSA system if there is no DOJ to stop it.
^^^ absolutely this ^^^
Our current DOJ is aiding and abetting the weaponization of the surveillance state …
What happened to the 51 intel officers that falsely and knowingly supported the fake Russia Russia Russia political operation? …. nothing, that’s what. They didn’t even lose their security clearances.
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 8:43 am
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