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re: First Comprehensive Study about CO Legalization Released

Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:52 am to
Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:52 am to
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Asgard Device


Ah, so you must be for the freedom of drunk driving, yes?
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:54 am to
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Ah, so you must be for the freedom of drunk driving, yes?


Strawman lulz.

People should be free from prosecution for any activity that does not violate somebody else's consent. Drunk driving doesn't fall under that, it is reckless.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:54 am to
Most of the "testing positive for marijuana" increases can likely be explained by an increase in testing for marijuana. Also the overall implications of the report saying that a few thousand medical marijuana users would affect anything is pretty ridiculous. There is no data for the post legalization time frames.
Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:59 am to
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Strawman lulz. People should be free from prosecution for any activity that does not violate somebody else's consent. Drunk driving doesn't fall under that, it is reckless.


He is for freedom, regardless what studies show. Obviously since the act of drunk driving does not infringe on any rights, he is for it, as he does not care what number of increased fatalities a study would get on legalized drunk driving.
Posted by Asgard Device
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:00 am to
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Ah, so you must be for the freedom of drunk driving, yes?



Uh. What?

You must be for prohibition of alcohol.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:03 am to
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He is for freedom, regardless what studies show. Obviously since the act of drunk driving does not infringe on any rights, he is for it, as he does not care what number of increased fatalities a study would get on legalized drunk driving


Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:03 am to
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People should be free from prosecution for any activity that does not violate somebody else's consent


What does this even mean?

Like if someone in Alaska doesn't consent to you masterbating in your home, then you are open to prosecution if you jerk off?
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
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55542 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:32 am to
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What does this even mean?


You're kidding, right?

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Like if someone in Alaska doesn't consent to you masterbating in your home, then you are open to prosecution if you jerk off?


Yes. Exactly.
Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
12421 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:37 am to
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Yes. Exactly.


NSIS
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:49 am to
Most assuredly sarcasm.
Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:50 am to
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Most assuredly sarcasm


I was being serious with you.

Educate me.

ETA: How does drunk driving violate someone's consent? How does it violate anyone's rights for that matter?(Which is what I assume violate someone's consent means)
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 1:57 am
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:56 am to
Consent, in the context I was talking about, has everything to do with self-ownership and property.

If you don't aren't actively violating someone's person or property, do whatever the hell you want.
Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
12421 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:58 am to
Yeah, and the act of driving drunk violates someones property or person how?
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 7:40 am to
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Yeah, and the act of driving drunk violates someones property or person how?


You are actively putting their person at risk. Think of it like firing a gun at somebody. It's not magically legal if you miss.
Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
12421 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 7:45 am to
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You are actively putting their person at risk. Think of it like firing a gun at somebody. It's not magically legal if you miss.


I would rather think of the action what the action is, not some other action it is not.
Posted by AUbused
Member since Dec 2013
7785 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 7:49 am to
Something strikes me as VERY fishy with these statistics. The years chosen for one thing. Since when do they run toxicology reports on all arrestee's? Did they institute some sort of new policy after the law passed?'

Another thing that kept striking me as funny was that, even with pot being legal, there were still several states that surpassed them in general population use. What states were those I wonder?
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17444 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:00 am to
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I already know I support freedom


Being impaired and potentially harming others os not freedom
Posted by KeyserSoze999
Member since Dec 2009
10608 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:02 am to
Personally I think the crack down on drivers with certain THC levels is a sham, just a way for the government to come in on the heals of legalization and make more money. When I use to drink, I drove drunk many times. I think God I didn't injure anyone and know for a fact its stupid. I drove high for almost 4 years straight, after I quit drinking, and there's simply no comparison, in no way did it impair my driving. Now that I'm straight I probably drive more reckless than when I was high. I know its anecdotal, but the government should be ashamed for lumping 'high drivers' in the same category as 'drunk drivers'. That is all.
Posted by Paluka
One State Over
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:43 am to
Groovy man....
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:51 pm to
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Personally I think the crack down on drivers with certain THC levels is a sham, just a way for the government to come in on the heals of legalization and make more money. When I use to drink, I drove drunk many times. I think God I didn't injure anyone and know for a fact its stupid. I drove high for almost 4 years straight, after I quit drinking, and there's simply no comparison, in no way did it impair my driving. Now that I'm straight I probably drive more reckless than when I was high. I know its anecdotal, but the government should be ashamed for lumping 'high drivers' in the same category as 'drunk drivers'. That is all.
It's even less convincing than that, because that's not even what this study proves. If you read the FARS materials, they're going off simple positive toxicology reports, not measured THC levels. That means that they're looking at metabolites, which means they're taking advantage of the "long tail" of marijuana detection. All the increase in "fatalities involving operators testing positive for marijuana" means is that marijuana is becoming more popular among the general population.

If reubens were becoming more popular among the general population, and you could detect sauerkraut for up to 2-6 weeks after consumption depending on frequency and body fat, I could spin you some statistics about sandwich-associated traffic fatalities. It wouldn't mean anything about DUI, let alone the relative impairment potentials of sandwiches and alcohol.
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 12:53 pm
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