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re: Feud between The Daily Wire and Steven Crowder goes public...
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:28 pm to cwill
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:28 pm to cwill
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goes public... by cwill
How is revenue generated for him to be paid? I can’t believe you can’t see that DW’s position is a rational business consideration and is not political.
Maybe from the several hundred thousand members of his Mug Club which has the potential to generate eight figures a year for DW easily. This ain't Brett Cooper we're talking about.
But yeah, it's perfectly rational businesswise to allow Big Tech to to effectively harass the people you're supposed to support. They're more powerful after all and taking on all that power can cost you money...
Precisely the attitude one can expect from the Daily Israeli.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 7:49 pm
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:29 pm to invidiousEndures
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It's not just about him. He doesn't fricking need DW. Point is this is how they operate with everyone which means a huge company which says they're fighting a particular fight against big tech is actually working their contracts in such a way that allows big tech to dictate how they compensate people. People who do not have 6 million subs and can't tell DW to go frick themselves.
He kinda does though.
He needs them, or he needs someone like them to run his platform. He doesn’t have the skill set to CEO that type of operation. Even Shapiro with a legal background let Boring do that to start AND they hired a bunch of people.
He’s not just going to be able to take his subscription money and put it in his pocket.
And if he means what he says about partnering with up and coming talent on better dead for them, he’s gonna need people with better expertise.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:35 pm to CountryVolFan
Candace Owens went after him on her show and said it was a bitch move on what he did.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:56 pm to i am dan
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Nobody on this planet is worth $50M for 4 years.
Not true. if I ran your company and generated 1 billion in profits. You might go ahead and offer me another 100 to keep me.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:02 pm to dgnx6
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:09 pm to Byrdybyrd05
I'm listening to this and Crowder sounds terrible. He claims to be fighting for future people in his position and "principle" and "the movement." He said they need to change their business model. 
Everything SFP said earlier in this thread was on the money.
"I'm talking about a country, about a movement."
Just go do your stream on Rumble or Odysee.
Everything SFP said earlier in this thread was on the money. "I'm talking about a country, about a movement."
Just go do your stream on Rumble or Odysee.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:14 pm to Byrdybyrd05
Crowder looks like a dick here
"I didn't want to do this"..... but I secretly recorded our phone call and sat on it for a few months to release it after I smeared your company.
"I didn't want to do this"..... but I secretly recorded our phone call and sat on it for a few months to release it after I smeared your company.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:18 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Did anything in the recording refute what Boering said?
I haven’t had a chance to listen to the latest salvo. Putting kids to sleep
I haven’t had a chance to listen to the latest salvo. Putting kids to sleep
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:25 pm to LSUnation78
Shapiro is a neocon and needs to be called out every chance we get. 7 or 8 years ago he gave his opinion of Ron Paul and I've known he was a joke sense. He's smart but no principles.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:32 pm to msutiger
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think the idea that DW is speaking for Big Tech is a bit ridiculous. Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles don't hold back at all, while I'm just waiting for Andrew Klavan to be hauled off to a re-education camp while on-set.
They absolutely are. Look. How they've handled the election, look how they've handled the vaccine and several other major issues, they tow the big tech line. They're more concerned with money than the truth
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:34 pm to mauser
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He ain't worth 50 million for 4 years
Apparently their valuation disagrees.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:38 pm to m2pro
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they've handled the vaccine and several other major issues, they tow the big tech line. They're more concerned with money than the truth
Know how I know that you don't listen to either of them?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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In exchange for a lot of money. Money that I'm presuming he can't generate on his own (or else he'd do this himself).
He doesn't have to "start his own Twitter" here or anything.
A lot of money from a company who will get an immediate influx of cash from his existing subscribers with large long-term potential.
Crowder ain't just some guy. If he can bring only 100k of his mug clubbers (there are quite a bit more than that) to DW that's $1 million a month. That alone covers the amount of the proposed contract and they would start seeing it immediately. Also, if he's demonetized on YouTube, that doesn't prevent people from viewing his content on DW or Rumble.
Acting like DW has no choice but to penalize him financially for a strike or something because "tHeY wIlL be lOSiNg rEvEnUe" is fricking ridiculous. He brings huge value with him.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:50 pm to Byrdybyrd05
Yeah this is a terrible look for Crowder.
He says it's not about the money, it's about the free speech, but by free speech he means not taking a pay cut when creators get demonetized. If it isn't about the money then why so upset about the paycut? Why does Daily Wire have to take the entire hit?
Then he glosses over the fact that's how money is made he adopts the leftist "well then you need a new business model" argument and then suggests just using Rumble instead, doesn't provide any numbers on how that will work. Says it's "not about a business, it's about a movement." Asks "when has anyone saying 'it's just business' been doing the right thing?"
These are emotional arguments, not logical or reasonable ones.
Part of Daily Wire's strategy is growing the conservative movement on social media. They are huge on some platforms. It's good for the movement for there to be a conservative presence on these platforms, even if they have to play ball with big tech on that specific content. If he doesn't think that's the right fit for him, if he doesn't want to take the deal, don't take the deal, but it's a real bitch move to release audio recordings of their discussions. There was nothing in that contract or on that phone call in the realm of scandal making this whole thing necessary.
He says it's not about the money, it's about the free speech, but by free speech he means not taking a pay cut when creators get demonetized. If it isn't about the money then why so upset about the paycut? Why does Daily Wire have to take the entire hit?
Then he glosses over the fact that's how money is made he adopts the leftist "well then you need a new business model" argument and then suggests just using Rumble instead, doesn't provide any numbers on how that will work. Says it's "not about a business, it's about a movement." Asks "when has anyone saying 'it's just business' been doing the right thing?"
These are emotional arguments, not logical or reasonable ones.
Part of Daily Wire's strategy is growing the conservative movement on social media. They are huge on some platforms. It's good for the movement for there to be a conservative presence on these platforms, even if they have to play ball with big tech on that specific content. If he doesn't think that's the right fit for him, if he doesn't want to take the deal, don't take the deal, but it's a real bitch move to release audio recordings of their discussions. There was nothing in that contract or on that phone call in the realm of scandal making this whole thing necessary.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:54 pm to LSUnation78
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Crowder could have offered any alternative he wanted. But ultimately he wanted 30 million a year instead of the 12.5 initially offered and chose not to even negotiate. He wanted a sugar daddy, not a business partner.
I think he wanted what he probably thinks he's worth which is a lot more than some of you realize.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:00 pm to RollTide1987
Crowder is either a blind idealist who has no idea how business actually works, or this has all been a planned attempt to grow his brand/audience.
Either way it’s a bad look for him, given the DW seemingly went into this in good faith.
The bottom line is they offered him a contract with a potential value of $75 MILLION dollars for essentially 6 years of work. That would be one of the biggest contracts in the history of this medium, and certainly on the conservative side of the spectrum. It’s a given that they’re going to stipulate that if he continues down the Alex Jones career path and gets himself ousted from more and more platforms he will lose some of that money BECAUSE THEY WILL BE LOSING MORE MONEY THAN HE WILL.
Crowder is essentially arguing he should be awarded a huge amount of money just because of who he is with no protections for the DW whatsoever. That’s insanity.
Either way it’s a bad look for him, given the DW seemingly went into this in good faith.
The bottom line is they offered him a contract with a potential value of $75 MILLION dollars for essentially 6 years of work. That would be one of the biggest contracts in the history of this medium, and certainly on the conservative side of the spectrum. It’s a given that they’re going to stipulate that if he continues down the Alex Jones career path and gets himself ousted from more and more platforms he will lose some of that money BECAUSE THEY WILL BE LOSING MORE MONEY THAN HE WILL.
Crowder is essentially arguing he should be awarded a huge amount of money just because of who he is with no protections for the DW whatsoever. That’s insanity.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:03 pm to invidiousEndures
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I think he wanted what he probably thinks he's worth which is a lot more than some of you realize.
The amount he was supposedly asking for, stipulation free mind you, was akin to what Joe Rogan got from Spotify. That’s INSANE.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:05 pm to Blaeke
Also the DW sued the federal government over the OSHA vaccine mandate. The guy you are responding to is clueless and trying to fill a preconceived narrative with secondhand driveby garbage.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:05 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Crowder is essentially arguing he should be awarded a huge amount of money just because of who he is with no protections for the DW whatsoever. That’s insanity
No, he's arguing that he should be compensated in accordance with the huge revenue stream he is guaranteed to bring them immediately and which does not rely on YouTube monetization.
Some of you are really acting like when YouTube stops paying him Crowder stops generating money. Big Time YouTubers have long since found a ways around that.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:09 pm to invidiousEndures
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No, he's arguing that he should be compensated in accordance with the huge revenue stream he is guaranteed to bring them immediately and which does not rely on YouTube monetization.
You don't think that was factored in?
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