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re: Felony Hate Crime for making fun of someone's clothes?
Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:11 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:11 pm to AggieHank86
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so, you did not bother to read the statute. Unsurprising. section 806..13(2)(b)
Just post it, Hank. If it backs up what you say you would be happy to post it.
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You are a strange duck.
Perhaps but at least I don't suck other dude's dicks
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Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:13 pm to stout
quote:I linked it for you. That PDF it's not allowing block/copy for some reason. I am not going to go to all the effort to retype it for someone who is too lazy to simply read it.
If it backs up what you say you would be happy to post it.
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Found it in different format
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(b) A violation of this subsection includes any physical manifestations of anti-Semitism directed toward a Jewish or non-Jewish individual or his or her property or toward Jewish community institutions or religious facilities, Jewish cemeteries, or Jewish gravesites. Such expression includes the use of a Nazi symbol such as a swastika.
This post was edited on 3/5/23 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:19 pm to Patrick Little CA
Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:22 pm to AggieHank86
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So telling someone to pull up their damn pants and quit looking like a moron will be a felony?
no
Maybe, maybe not. The section says:
(9) A person who willfully follows, harasses, or interferes with another person's quiet enjoyment based on the person's wearing of religious-based garments or garments commonly associated with a particular religious or ethnic group or any other indicia of any religious or ethnic heritage commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. A violation of this subsection shall be considered a hate crime for purposes of the reporting requirements of s. 877.19.
Could walking around with your pants below your butt be considered a symbol of your ethnic heritage? What if someone made fun of a guy wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with a Confederate battle flag?
I don't like this provision in the the proposed law, but then, I don't like the concept of hate speech either. I'd rather judge people on the actions they take and what they do, as opposed to what they say.
Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:26 pm to AggieHank86
What does it mean to direct a swastika? If you walk by a Jewish person wearing a Nazi shirt is that a crime?
What about a Palestinian who considers the star of David as offensive as a Jew considers a swastika? Just frick them huh
What about a Palestinian who considers the star of David as offensive as a Jew considers a swastika? Just frick them huh
Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:27 pm to AUstar
quote:I agree with you. This provision seems to be a clear violation of the First Amendment ... even the misdemeanor section. Basically, you could not distribute ANY flyer (including political flyers) if there is ANY chance that the recipient will throw it on the ground.
littering
Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:30 pm to Gaggle
quote:No idea.
What does it mean to direct a swastika? If you walk by a Jewish person wearing a Nazi shirt is that a crime? What about a Palestinian who considers the star of David as offensive as a Jew considers a swastika? Just frick them huh
You seem to be asking me to explain and defend a bill that I said I do not support (see page 1)
quote:read that carefully. To violate this provision, it need to be a Jew to whom you approach. If you walk up to anyone wearing a swastika, you have arguably violated this provision.
violation of this subsection includes any physical manifestations of anti-Semitism directed toward a Jewish or non-Jewish individual
just a quick reminder that this is simply the initial form in which the bill was filed. If there is any interest in passing this bill (an open question), there is still the public comment period,the committee hearings, and the floor debate. Very few bills get passed in the form first proposed. Many of the technical deficiencies we are addressing would likely be resolved in that context.
This post was edited on 3/5/23 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:32 pm to AggieHank86
Thanks for posting it. Why is only one specific group singled out in the bill?
Why not Muslims, Catholics, Black Southern Baptist, etc?
The whole bill seems unconstitutional
I still say AndyJ is FOS when he said the only reason this board is upset about the bill is that it might benefit Jews. The first comments in this thread prove that.
This board is not as antisemite as you and others make it out to be.
Why not Muslims, Catholics, Black Southern Baptist, etc?
The whole bill seems unconstitutional
I still say AndyJ is FOS when he said the only reason this board is upset about the bill is that it might benefit Jews. The first comments in this thread prove that.
This board is not as antisemite as you and others make it out to be.
Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:32 pm to TigerIron
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The bill says says "garments commonly associated with a religious or ethnic group or any other indicia of any religious or ethnic heritage."
That could cover everything from dreadlocks, to a cross necklace, to a Black Lives Matter t-shirt, to jorts (the ethnic dress of the Florida redneck).
It's way broader than you are saying. It's not in any way limited to religion, as several of the "you haven't read the bill" posters are saying. So maybe fake news fact check yourself.
Sounds like under this Nick Sandman would be the bad guy and charged with a "hate" crime for smiling at an injun doing injun stuff, while he's wearing his red maga hat.
This will definitely be abused, and used against white Christians, than white Christians will be able to use it to protect themselves.
We need "hate" laws to go away, not add more. Use harassment laws for what they are for. Desantis really needs to make sure ALL potential abuses are covered as we don't live in a time where laws are being applied evenly. Will be a bad look signing this.
Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:33 pm to AggieHank86
I don't really see that on page 1. You seem to be supporting the bill and doing your typical shtick of explaining why everyone's wrong and it's actually good
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why do these threads never link to the text of the statute at issue?
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On the other hand, if you follow a lady down the street taunting her about wearing a kente cloth (or a man for wearing a yarmulke), you might.
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The theory, as I understand it, is that this sort of law will serve as a disincentive to targeting people who are doing nothing more than exercising their rights to religious expression.
Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:34 pm to Patrick Little CA
The bill is bullshite and doesn’t need to pass, although it’s not as bad as some of the portrayals here.
It’s only a proposed bill. One news site said it hasn’t made it through a single committee and doesn’t have a senate sponsor yet.
It’s only a proposed bill. One news site said it hasn’t made it through a single committee and doesn’t have a senate sponsor yet.
Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:38 pm to TH095526
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If Ron DeSantis signs this nonsense into law then frick him and the rest of the GOP
I can’t see him doing it as Constitutionally grounded as he is. I will have the same sentiment as you if he does.
Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:39 pm to Gaggle
Why do people like you always assume that the ability to understand what one reads equates to agreeing with what one reads.
Yes, I explained what the proposed bill says. In only one post did I express any opinion whatsoever regarding the approval or disapproval of the substance of the bill
Yes, I explained what the proposed bill says. In only one post did I express any opinion whatsoever regarding the approval or disapproval of the substance of the bill
quote:only a complete fricking imbecile could read those words and come to the conclusion that I support this legislation.quote:I tend to agree. Behavior is either criminal or not criminal. The motivation of the actor should not be particularly relevant.
hate crimes are thought crimes. How the hell do you know if it was hate in their heart or mind? You don't.
A murder victim is no less dead, dependent upon whether he was killed for carrying a wallet or wearing a crescent moon.
This post was edited on 3/5/23 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:40 pm to Patrick Little CA
quote:intended to protect trannys
Felony Hate Crime for making fun of someone's clothes?
The more and more these bills come through FL, the more i think Ron is a wolf in sheeps clothing
Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:41 pm to AggieHank86
quote:part and parcel with being a resident contrarian.
only a complete fricking imbecile could read those words and come to the conclusion that I support this legislation.
Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:42 pm to AuburnTigers
quote:Do you consider transgenderism now to be a religion or ethnicity? If the latter, you are acknowledging that it is genetic, and therefore outside their control. If the former, you are giving them a number of constitutional protections to which they would not otherwise be entitled. Your call.
intended to protect trannys (sic)
quote:Holy crap. One yahoo in the lower house of the state legislature files a bill that is still stuck in committee, and you think it reflects poorly on the governor of the entire freaking state?
The more and more these bills come through FL, the more i think Ron is a wolf in sheeps clothing
J...F...C....
This post was edited on 3/5/23 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:42 pm to AuburnTigers
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The more and more these bills come through FL, the more i think Ron is a wolf in sheeps clothing
Holy shite you people are insane. Nothing has come through anywhere. A bill has been proposed by one chamber of the Florida legislature. That’s it.
Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:44 pm to Patrick Little CA
Hate crimes are never enforced when POC murder, rape, torture white people. I have never fricking seen it.
When gays rape and murder straight young men, they are not enforced.
Hate Crime Laws are bullshite.
When gays rape and murder straight young men, they are not enforced.
Hate Crime Laws are bullshite.
Posted on 3/5/23 at 1:02 pm to Patrick Little CA
So if somebody makes fun of my MAGA hat they have committed a hate crime? Good to know!
Posted on 3/5/23 at 1:04 pm to LRB1967
quote:Arguably so.
So if somebody makes fun of my MAGA hat they have committed a hate crime?
For a significant percentage of you people, Trump DOES seem to be a deity of sorts, with MAGA as the catechism and the red gimme cap as a combination priestly vestment and declaration of faith.
This post was edited on 3/5/23 at 1:07 pm
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