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re: FCC to free Internet From Obama's “Net Neutrality” Rules
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:16 pm to SoulGlo
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:16 pm to SoulGlo
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The Net Neutrality pushers seem to have no concept of how competition and markets work.
Remind me where the competition is with 6 media companies buying themselves and their competition out, to where the end of it is inevitably Buy-N-Large from WALL-E?
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Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:16 pm to bonhoeffer45
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Problem is when people like yourself go to bat for these crony laws based on some delusional red herring argument.
That is complete BS.
I am the one after the crony laws. The FCC treating the internet as a utility is cronyism. The big money companies will get their way with the FCC and you will be screwed. The states and cities regulating the ISPs that can come to your house is cronyism and should end.
You want to wrap yourself in the protection of some unnamed bureaucrats with hopes the "man" will give you what you want--pathetic.
They held us back in broad cast TV (even in broadcast radio). They held us back in telecommunications. They held us back in telegraph for goodness sake.
With such a horrible track record only fools would support more power for the FCC.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:16 pm to Dirtman16
Yeah . . . I'm not sure that dude knows what he's talking about. He threw out some terms there, but he missed the semi-trailer that was bearing down on him.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:17 pm to Centinel
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No it's not. It's still fits the criteria of a broadband ISP.
Not really. The current criteria for high speed broadband is 25mbps download. You will never see those speeds from satellite. Even if some try and advertise right at 25mbps to legally advertise as broadband. Heck, many actual cable broadband companies don’t even deliver that speed.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:18 pm to Dirtman16
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You can lay four fiber lines together.
And eventually you'll run out of fiber. And you can only pulse light so fast.
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Cell phones can use carrier aggregation to access multiple frequencies at once and boost throughput.
True, but the gain from this isn't anywhere near the gain from improved modulation efficiency. The government is very stingy about giving up its bandwidth.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:19 pm to OMLandshark
My Gawd OMLandshark do you not read the articles about the profitability of these media companies collapsing? They are merging to try to survive.
They have more competition than ever before---lots more. We shouldn't care about the merger of content and media providers given the proliferation of content we have today.
They have more competition than ever before---lots more. We shouldn't care about the merger of content and media providers given the proliferation of content we have today.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:20 pm to I B Freeman
This is the internet in Portugal. If you want this you’re a fricking retard.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:21 pm to jawnybnsc
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Yeah . . . I'm not sure that dude knows what he's talking about. He threw out some terms there, but he missed the semi-trailer that was bearing down on him.
Eight years in SATCOM. I read a thing or two.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:22 pm to Centinel
And who really don't understand that Net Neutrality, as a concept and as a matter of law, turn out to be two completely different things. In order to achieve Net Neutrality, something VERY SUSPECT was enacted and none of the folks here griping can tell you what it was. Further, none of them can tell you why scrapping the shady way in which this was implemented and finding better ways (and yes, that includes, but is not limited to, letting markets work) to do "Net Neutrality" is a bad idea.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:23 pm to I B Freeman
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I am the one after the crony laws. The FCC treating the internet as a utility is cronyism. The big money companies will get their way with the FCC and you will be screwed. The states and cities regulating the ISPs that can come to your house is cronyism and should end
They are getting their way with the FCC now dumbass. What the frick do you think having major friend of ISP’s Ajit Pai and passing rent-seeking legislation for them does? It doesn’t bring more competition that’s for damn sure. Just pads their pockets to invest in more crony laws to further ingrain their rent-seeking. And you want to give it to them based on some red herring argument that doesn’t mitigate the need to protect consumers in the present.
You have completely lost the plot kid.
Now what town do you live in?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:23 pm to I B Freeman
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My Gawd OMLandshark do you not read the articles about the profitability of these media companies collapsing?
I’d love for that to happen, but I see no evidence of it occurring. I see the contrary.
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They have more competition than ever before---lots more
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We shouldn't care about the merger of content and media providers give the proliferation of content we have today.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:24 pm to Centinel
Dude . . . you should stop.
We're getting close to having multi-TB network systems over single fiber pairs. And the speed at which you can "pulse" a laser is really not what limits the throughput.
We're getting close to having multi-TB network systems over single fiber pairs. And the speed at which you can "pulse" a laser is really not what limits the throughput.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:24 pm to SoulGlo
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If I was an ISP, I would LOVE my competition to start fricking customers over. I could then take said customers.
You could try, but one of two things would happen:
1. the incumbent would "buy out" your operation the instant you started building out infrastructure
2. the incumbent would allow you to waste your money, then run special pricing that you could not compete with and starve you out.
In either case, the ISP frickery would continue as soon as you are eliminated.
Or, on the small chance that you are able to take all those customers, you would be a moron to not realize and act on the profit potential of fricking your customers as your former competition did. Either that or you would be the first altruistic profit-seeking entity in history.
The ISP industry is more of a utility than you guys want to admit. If your choices are limited to companies that choose to service your particular permanent residence, then it's a goddamned utility.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:26 pm to jawnybnsc
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Dude . . . you should stop.
Stop what? Where in what am I saying am I wrong?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:27 pm to OMLandshark
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I’d love for that to happen, but I see no evidence of it occurring. I see the contrary.
Have you ever visited this thing called "You Tube"? what about this phenom called "Facebook"? or "TD"?
You do know NetFlix and Amazon are doing a lot of their own content now don't you?
These are all competitors to the media companies and are why they cannot get the prices for the media they produce like they used too.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:27 pm to Centinel
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And eventually you'll run out of fiber.
How exactly? We can't make more at some point?
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And you can only pulse light so fast.
I'd be lying if I said I knew the intricacies of fiber technology, but I do know that light is fast. Like universal speed limit fast.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:28 pm to Korkstand
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The ISP industry is more of a utility than you guys want to admit. If your choices are limited to companies that choose to service your particular permanent residence, then it's a goddamned utility.
Except that I can still get 1s and 0s transmitted to me via satellite or mobile.
So no, internet access is not a utility.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:29 pm to I B Freeman
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Have you ever visited this thing called "You Tube"?
You mean the platform that the Big Six put a hitpiece out on and not a single person who works for them has called it a bunch of shite? Yeah, because that would spell well for YouTube once they can directly go after them with no government regulation.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:29 pm to I B Freeman
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Have you ever visited this thing called "You Tube"? what about this phenom called "Facebook"? or "TD"?
You do know NetFlix and Amazon are doing a lot of their own content now don't you?
These are all competitors to the media companies and are why they cannot get the prices for the media they produce like the used too
How the frick are you so thick headed you don’t feel ashamed for making this argument while knighting for the dismantling of the neutral conditions that made that market space possible in the first place?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:30 pm to jawnybnsc
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and yes, that includes, but is not limited to, letting markets work
You know what lets markets work? An open internet where all traffic is treated the same way.
You know what ISPs DO NOT WANT? An open internet where all traffic is treated the same way.
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