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re: FCC plans to vote to overturn U.S. net neutrality rules in December

Posted on 11/17/17 at 3:50 pm to
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69186 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 3:50 pm to
In most neighborhoods in Baton Rouge, there is only one provider: Cox.

In some neighborhoods, there are two: Cox and AT&T.

In a select few neighborhoods, there is a third competitor sometimes: Eatel, the local mom & pop which has recently been allowed to creep across parish lines from Ascension.

Baton Rouge has a metro area of over 500k people.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 3:55 pm to
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A poster in that thread claimed there was only one option for high speed internet access where he lived in southwest Oklahoma and that's why he's pissing his pants in fear.

I didn't know his city so I picked a random city in southwest Oklahoma which was Lawton, Oklahoma, not exactly a mega-metropolis.

I provided a link to him which listed 14 ISP's in Lawton with only one of them having a download speed less than 5 mbps. His comeback? "I don't live in Lawton."


I live 45 mins west of Lawton. Satellite is not feasible due to the weather so almost no one uses it unless they live out on a farm and there is not other option

Most the ISPs do not cover the whole area. Cable One is the only player in town bc AT&T here is to slow.

But for example my how town outside DC only has 2 providers that cover a majority of the town. Verizon and Comcast. Verizon has been kicking arse bc they offer fiber and have no data caps.

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I use Cox most of the time but when Cox goes down I switch over to AT&T data access using my iPad or my iPhone. That's TWO ISP's I use now in my home. How many fricking ISPs do I need?? (I'm starting to think that "ISP" is not really the best term to describe access to the internet. It should just be "internet access.")


sighhhhh ok grandpa
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 3:57 pm
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 3:56 pm to
But I found a webpage called cheapinternets4u.com that says BR has 7,000 ISPs. Therefore you have no common sense and you are wrong

Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:01 pm to
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Gotta protect the little guys.



It's funny because most content providers large and small are opposed to undoing net neutrality. The only support for net neutrality comes from the FCC and the "establishment" media like Comcast (who runs NBC and MSNBC).

So the government and the MSM oppose net neutrality and some of the hardo conservatives are on the same side. Strange bedfellows.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 4:02 pm
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
69384 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:03 pm to
have at least 9 ISP's available to me where I live in Baton Rouge.

Where do you live?

Baton Rouge, Louisiana?
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44120 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:05 pm to
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Cable One is the only player in town bc AT&T here is to slow.



"Not good enough for my tastes" does not mean "monopoly" or "no competition."



Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:09 pm to
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"Not good enough for my tastes" does not mean "monopoly" or "no competition."




Substandard internet vs half decent internet yea okkkkkkkk. All you can do with 5meg down is browse and attempt to stream one device in SD.

You still didn't respond to my point about low end users and data caps

Or ill do you one better since data caps are needed in your eyes.

Like if you use DTVNow it won't count against your At&T data caps, so clearly you can use all the data you want and not hurt your cap as long as you use the AT&T service of DTVNow
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 4:10 pm
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:12 pm to
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"Not good enough for my tastes" does not mean "monopoly" or "no competition."



You're basically arguing that Trek bikes are competition for Honda. In a sense they are (people do bike to work), but most people are not cross shopping them. Most municipalities only have 2 viable versions of broadband. Common sense dictates this.

You have be taking crazy pills to think BR has 9 comparable ISPs that people are cross shopping
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 4:15 pm
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44120 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:17 pm to
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Substandard internet vs half decent internet yea okkkkkkkk. All you can do with 5meg down is browse and attempt to stream one device in SD.


All subjective to your needs.

I'd like to have Gig Fiber where I live...but it's not here yet. I don't sit there and say it's a "monopoly" or "no competition!" because the local ISPs don't have my preferred speeds.

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You still didn't respond to my point about low end users and data caps


What point?
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44120 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:19 pm to
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You have be taking crazy pills to think BR has 9 comparable ISPs that people are cross shopping




Comparable has nothing to do with it. If there are in fact nine ISPs in the BR area, then there are in fact nine different companies you can use to access content on the internet.

Some will have better speeds, some will have better prices.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:20 pm to
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All subjective to your needs.

I'd like to have Gig Fiber where I live...but it's not here yet. I don't sit there and say it's a "monopoly" or "no competition!" because the local ISPs don't have my preferred speeds.



there is no competition when there are two options and only one is half way decent. While the other is mostly DSL.
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What point?


that low end users would balance out so called data hogs

why are you ignoring the rest of the post about DTVNow and AT&T. That alone proves caps are bullshite.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 4:21 pm
Posted by SailorGator
Member since Sep 2014
1395 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:22 pm to
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Sounds like a great way to restrict information sharing and control the message the govt wants us to hear
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:23 pm to
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Sounds like a great way to restrict information sharing and control the message the govt wants us to hear


Giving Comcast control over content when Comcast controls NBC and MSNBC. What could go wrong?
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44120 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:30 pm to
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there is no competition when there are two options and only one is half way decent. While the other is mostly DSL.


Anything above one is competition.

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that low end users would balance out so called data hogs


There's still not a point here.

Data hogs are data hogs because of the length of time they're maxing their connection speeds.

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why are you ignoring the rest of the post about DTVNow and AT&T. That alone proves caps are bullshite.



No, because they require an extra 30 a month or bundling DirectTV for unlimited...which by its nature will cut down on the number of data hogs.

It's an average numbers game. It's not that hard to understand.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:39 pm to
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Giving Comcast control over content when Comcast controls NBC and MSNBC. What could go wrong?


Yeah choosing between the Government and Comcast on who to trust with the Internet is like choosing between a dumb bimbo or Albert Fish to babysit your kids. Death with the former is possible but an absolute certainty with the later.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:44 pm to
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Anything above one is competition.


false

when only one provider has the infrastructure to provide decent internet.

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There's still not a point here.

Data hogs are data hogs because of the length of time they're maxing their connection speeds.



We both know how hard it is to even max out a 100meg connection.

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No, because they require an extra 30 a month or bundling DirectTV for unlimited...which by its nature will cut down on the number of data hogs.

It's an average numbers game. It's not that hard to understand.



Nope if you have AT&T internet or wireless and use DTVNow it won't be counted against your cap.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
67227 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:45 pm to


For a board allegedly full of anti-corporatists and anti-globalists, y'all sure do bend at the knee for those very interests.

Of course, the same people believe that Trump and Mnuchin have proposed a "middle class" tax cut.
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:46 pm to
That makes no sense. Net neutrality does not allow the government complete control over the internet. I'll take the internet we have right now over the internet in Comcast's hands any day
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44120 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:59 pm to
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when only one provider has the infrastructure to provide decent internet.


"decent internet" is completely subjective. To Grandma and grandpa that just want to email, read fox news, and look at their grandkids on facebook 5MB/s is perfectly fine.

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We both know how hard it is to even max out a 100meg connection.


It can easily be done using bittorrent or private downloading websites. I peg my 100Mb connection whenever I download a game or pull updates.

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Nope if you have AT&T internet or wireless and use DTVNow it won't be counted against your cap.



Yes, I know. And AT&T has decided it financially worthwhile to offer this service. But not everyone will have it...therefore smaller footprint for possible hoggers.

Again, it's an average numbers game.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 5:04 pm to
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"decent internet" is completely subjective. To Grandma and grandpa that just want to email, read fox news, and look at their grandkids on facebook 5MB/s is perfectly fine.



but they are not competition to a provider who can off a GB

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It can easily be done using bittorrent or private downloading websites. I peg my 100Mb connection whenever I download a game or pull updates.



If you downloading a shite ton at once. I can stream on both my 4K tvs not max out 100meg. Also pointless to peg at 100 meg downloading a game if the end server is completely swamped.

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Yes, I know. And AT&T has decided it financially worthwhile to offer this service. But not everyone will have it...therefore smaller footprint for possible hoggers.

Again, it's an average numbers game.



It proves caps are bullshite and do not improve the network.

My ISP actually put out a statement saying if they didn't implement caps customers would leave them

Needless to say that didn't go over well, but a majority of their customers have no other option.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 5:10 pm
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