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re: FCC plans to vote to overturn U.S. net neutrality rules in December
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:07 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:07 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:
Actually it's incredibly shitty and why you're in the vast minority on this board.
Um. I've met Americans.
If you think telling me my command of economics differs from the "vast majority" of ANY collection of Americans is an insult..........well, OK. But trust me on this. I'd be pissed as frick if it didn't differ.
quote:I think it's probably INCREDIBLY charitable to say that 10% of Americans understand economics, business operations, business strategy or anything else in those areas.
You're in the 10% but you wear it like a badge of honor as if you think you're incredibly smarter than everyone
Given a choice, you're damned straight I want to be in the 10%!! Thanks!
I mean, up till now, I just assumed all you theater majors were the economics geniuses.
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:07 pm to ShortyRob
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23 pages in this bitch and you haven't the slightest fricking idea what has been discussed.
That you don't see the problem with "all packets must be treated equally" in practice is a you problem.
i'm not reading 23 pages of you acting like a retard and choose instead to emphasize the most important point.
protecting consumer interests > protecting corporate interests
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:08 pm to bmy
quote:
100 mb/s Comcast + restricted packets + data caps + pay per site
If this actually happens, do you think this
quote:
30 mb/s Hughes Net or ATT
Will remain the same?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:09 pm to bmy
quote:
protecting consumer interests > protecting corporate interests
Except NN isn't about protecting consumer interests. It's about protecting one group of corporate interests over another.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:10 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:"Should" has no place in a discussion of markets. What can I tell you.
So I take it that you think that Comcast and other ISPs should be providers, creators, and controllers?
quote:Socialists worry about what "should" exist in markets.
Which socialism? Be specific. I'm well-versed in its history. That isn't a Marxist-Leninist appeal, nor would it constitute a anarcho-communist one. Please describe what socialism means here
quote:I fricking hate Comcast. That's beside the point.
I'll always be glad to be on the opposite side of Comcast, no matter what.
quote:Then, in all likelihood, you are superior to me in that area. I will happily enjoy listening to interesting things you have to say on those subjects should they come up.
Sure. My command of history and ME politics is pretty on point. I still think you are being myopic
quote:Admittedly, I crossed you up with the other guy in here.
I've never watched John Oliver.
quote:That's fine.
My views are based on conversations with my brother-in-law's brother, a VP at a Seattle firm that does contract work with the big 3. Somehow none of your views overlaps with his. I'll go ahead and trust him on this
I'll go with my 1st hand experience and education. And, yes, it's possible for experienced and educated people to disagree on the subject. But, I suspect that if I was talking to your brother in law, we'd at least be speaking the same language.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:11 pm to bmy
for someone who claims to be so well versed in economics, he should know that without adequate competition, the consumer gets screwed, every time.
its pretty embarrassing just how lost he actually is, sad really
its pretty embarrassing just how lost he actually is, sad really
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:12 pm to bmy
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protecting consumer interests > protecting corporate interests
I agree.
Alas, you just don't know why your plan =/= protecting consumer interests...........and, you also don't seem to know why it DOES equal protecting corporate interests.
Just different corps than the ones you are focused upon.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:12 pm to rocket31
quote:
adequate competition,
Define this.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:13 pm to rocket31
quote:I do know this.
for someone who claims to be so well versed in economics, he should know that without adequate competition, the consumer gets screwed, every time.
quote:It is embarrassing how lost you guys are on understanding how markets work, yes.
its pretty embarrassing just how lost
Don't tell me. Let me guess?
quote:= Art major?
rocket31
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:14 pm to Centinel
quote:
If this actually happens, do you think this
Will remain the same?
Uh, yes? It's near impossible to install the necessary infrastructure to compete. Even Google Fiber got shite on by Comcast (a notoriously poor product btw) lawyers in Nashville.. absurd to expect a company with less resources to fare better in that arena.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:14 pm to Centinel
its impossible to provide perfect competition in ISP markets.
this is where it gets lost in translation to those who do not understand how the internet "works"
this is where it gets lost in translation to those who do not understand how the internet "works"
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:15 pm to bmy
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Uh, yes? It's near impossible to install the necessary infrastructure to compete. Even Google Fiber got shite on by Comcast (a notoriously poor product btw) lawyers in Nashville.. absurd to expect a company with less resources to fare better in that arena.
You think people will choose Comcast with all those restrictions you listed over 30MB Hughes or AT&T just because they have more bandwidth?
People will switch to those two, who will then have money to expand service or force Comcast to drop all the caveats.
Just like what happened with Verizon and TMobile with unlimited data plans.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:17 pm to ShortyRob
In order from best to worst solution:
1. frick the FCC and all telecom regs
2. Current regs + net neutrality, but strive for #1
3. Current regs + no net neutrality = shitshow
1. frick the FCC and all telecom regs
2. Current regs + net neutrality, but strive for #1
3. Current regs + no net neutrality = shitshow
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:17 pm to rocket31
quote:
its impossible to provide perfect competition in ISP markets.
You still haven't defined "adequate competition."
quote:
his is where it gets lost in translation to those who do not understand how the internet "works"
I know quite well how the internet "works". Considering I've been in telecommunications for 12 years prior to moving to cybersecurity.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:17 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Alas, you just don't know why your plan =/= protecting consumer interests...........and, you also don't seem to know why it DOES equal protecting corporate interests.
Just different corps than the ones you are focused upon.
Actually.. I don't care which corporate interests get blowjobs from the Trump administration. I care about the quality of the product I have available from the monopolistic corporation that enjoys being the only option in my area.
When there isn't healthy competition and the barriers to entry are enormously high the only realistic solution is government intervention.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:19 pm to bmy
quote:
When there isn't healthy competition
I'll ask you the same thing: Define this.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:19 pm to bmy
quote:
Uh, yes? It's near impossible to install the necessary infrastructure to compete. Even Google Fiber got shite on by Comcast
Google.......one of the richest companies on the planet............wanted to piggy back off Comcast AND to dictate the terms to Comcast.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:19 pm to Centinel
quote:
You still haven't defined "adequate competition."
are you dense? there is no competition.
a few ISPs own the fiber which the govt subsidized. they control access to it.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:19 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
"Should" has no place in a discussion of markets. What can I tell you.
Okay.
quote:
Socialists worry about what "should" exist in markets.
Socialists primarily worry about who controls the means of production. It is what makes socialists socialists, by any definition. That you are retreating to its use as a pejorative is what it is, but socialists treatment of the "market" is always secondary. I have not invoked the first definition at all, although it would be nice to have a decentralized system using mesh networks like someone proposed in a previous debate.
quote:
I'll go with my 1st hand experience and education. And, yes, it's possible for experienced and educated people to disagree on the subject. But, I suspect that if I was talking to your brother in law, we'd at least be speaking the same language.
I can admit my education in business isn't up to yours, but I still think you aren't seeing what those bloodsuckers at these ISPs will do. That I favor, essentially, the interests of one party, the creators, over the providers, has everything to do with how much I despise the providers. I don't think wanting the government to retain the rules already in place to ensure the status quo makes me a socialist in this regard, but it does make me completely biased against the ISPs, and hopeful that they will, after somehow becoming anthropomorphic, some how get arse cancer and die.
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