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re: FCC plans to vote to overturn U.S. net neutrality rules in December
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:28 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:28 pm to ShortyRob
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The major content providers support it.
You just moved the goalposts. You were suggesting that the ISPs aren't having their cake and eating it too. They are. That's exactly what is happeneing.
You're right. The content providers do support net neutrality. How is that bad? That means better access to alternative content
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 1:29 pm
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:28 pm to crazy4lsu
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And no one seems to want to discuss what providers and content creators (which Comcast is) will do when they can control the content access of a user
I'll discuss it.
If this is such a likely scenario, why are all the major content providers in SUPPORT of NN?
Hmmmmmmm
In an amazing twist of fate, it turns out that if the government plans to force Party A to cover the cost of Party B's profit seeking ventures, Part B supports said plan
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:30 pm to ShortyRob
The rest of you fricks in this thread are missing a golden opportunity. Get rid of NN and the floodgates will open for ISP competition. I'm already planning to make an ISP of my own. Got a couple of shovels bought and about a hundred meters of copper wire. Me and my pal Chud frickley are gonna take the telecom biz by storm
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:30 pm to cahoots
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You were suggesting that the ISPs aren't having their cake and eating it too. They are. That's exactly what is happeneing.
The ones who are getting everything they want are the content providers.
I mean, that's not even debatable.
Sheesh. How the frick is that moving the goalposts?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:30 pm to ShortyRob
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In an amazing twist of fate, it turns out that if the government plans to force Party A to cover the cost of Party B's profit seeking ventures, Part B supports said plan
it's necessary because party A (the ISPs) are nearly fricking government sponsored monopolies
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:31 pm to cahoots
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it's necessary because party A (the ISPs) are nearly fricking government sponsored monopolies
Well. At least you didn't try and pretend I wasn't 100% right.
That's progress.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:31 pm to ShortyRob
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You don't appear to even know what whataboutism is now.
I mean, are you intentionally TRYING to set the bar lower for how your intellect is perceived?
So when I asked him about one thing and he answers talking about something else that is a whataboutism. It is a deflection of the argument at Hand by mentioning: "well what about this or what about that?" If you think it's any more complicated than that then you have just hatched a very specific meaning that is irrelevant
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:33 pm to Ebbandflow
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So when I asked him about one thing and he answers talking about something else that is a whataboutism
No. When discussing economic phenomenon, it is often helpful to look at things that already exist for a frame of reference.
I'm sorry that's hard for you to grasp. It tells me that you're probably a crack too far behind to catch up.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:34 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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These providers aren't losing money on infrastructure I can assure you. If that's your argument it's weak. They are giant near-monopolies.
nahhh man
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:34 pm to ShortyRob
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Well. At least you didn't try and pretend I wasn't 100% right.
That's progress.
You still don't get it. Net neutrality is only necessary because the ISP market is government-protected. You're trying to argue that we need to give more freedom to ISPs that are protected from competition. That is a bad idea. The content providers know this.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:35 pm to ShortyRob
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In an amazing twist of fate, it turns out that if the government plans to force Party A to cover the cost of Party B's profit seeking ventures, Part B supports said plan
I agree that this is a problem.
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If this is such a likely scenario, why are all the major content providers in SUPPORT of NN?
Because there is the fear that Comcast (and other ISPs) will do to them what it did to Netflix before their agreement in 2014, a situation which created this NN situation (post-2015) in the first place.
That Comcast wants payment for where a majority of its bandwidth goes is fair enough, but I think there will be consequences from that repeal of NN that will lead to what amounts to stratification of the internet. That is what I want to avoid.
Not only that, it will likely lead to situations where Comcast will throttle anything that isn't its own content.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:36 pm to cahoots
quote:And your solution is government protection of content providers.
You still don't get it. Net neutrality is only necessary because the ISP market is government-protected.
Makes sense.
quote:The content providers are huge fans of being able to ramp up their volume of product being sold while passing off the cost of delivering it to someone else.
That is a bad idea. The content providers know this.
Whatever else you may want to argue, if you can't acknowledge that reality, you are not capable of honesty.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:39 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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TD wont go away but an ISP can make it almost unusable unless we pay to access it
And the government is going to make that better?
So you say "an ISP can restrict a site so the government has to take over"
What's to stop the government from doing the same? I can always pick a different ISP. Can't pick a different government.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:39 pm to crazy4lsu
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Because there is the fear that Comcast (and other ISPs) will do to them what it did to Netflix before their agreement in 2014, a situation which created this NN situation (post-2015) in the first place.
Generally speaking, in free markets, companies "fear" their competition. Which, is why, generally speaking, powerful companies look to manipulate the government into regulating their competition away.
This is an exceedingly common phenomenon that has existed for a hundred years.
"Hey, see this imperfection in the market.......can you please pass a law closing that imperfection......it's mere coincidence that my idea for solving it makes me tons of money"..........
You're being worked. It's not the first time for folks who don't understand economics......it won't be the last.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:40 pm to SoulGlo
quote:It is utterly impossible for me to imagine a government that is complaining about "fake news" and "manipulation of elections" would do anything to restrict site access. *sarcasm*
What's to stop the government from doing the same?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:41 pm to Halftrack
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:41 pm to Halftrack
I really do not like this FCC commissioner. Trump is not doing himself any favors with this guy.
This is a topic that both sides agree on.
This is a topic that both sides agree on.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:42 pm to SoulGlo
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So you say "an ISP can restrict a site so the government has to take over"
NN is making sure all packets of traffic are treated the same.
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I can always pick a different ISP
Not everyone has that luxury.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:43 pm to Bob Sacamano
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:43 pm to Bob Sacamano
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I really do not like this FCC commissioner. Trump is not doing himself any favors with this guy.
This is a topic that both sides agree on.
USA is a plutocracy.. corporate overlords running the oligarchy. Doesn't matter what democratic or republican constituents want.. just corporate interests
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 1:44 pm
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