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re: FCC plans to vote to overturn U.S. net neutrality rules in December
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:08 pm to Centinel
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:08 pm to Centinel
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Call me old-fashioned, but I'm generally against any regulation that's enacted based on what a company "might" do.
Yes, we should ham-fist new regulations after the companies actually do them.
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:10 pm to crazy4lsu
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Yes, we should ham-fist new regulations after the companies actually do them.
No, we should carefully craft regulations to address unfair business practices to address the issue correctly.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:10 pm to Centinel
What do you think is more likely, given what we've seen before?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:11 pm to cahoots
A) that's almost five years old
B) it leaves off wireless providers
B) it leaves off wireless providers
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:12 pm to crazy4lsu
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What do you think is more likely, given what we've seen before?
I don't care what's more likely. I care about enacting government regulations based on what someone "might" do. That's a fricked up precedent to set.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:13 pm to Centinel
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I don't care what's more likely
You are right, there isn't a place for actually discussing normative practices here, given the evidence we do have.
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I care about enacting government regulations based on what someone "might" do.
What if we have assurances that they "will" do it?
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:14 pm to Centinel
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A) that's almost five years old
Oh please, there hasn't been a proliferation of new ISPs
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B) it leaves off wireless providers
Which are not viable alternatives. I've tried. It's not close.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:15 pm to DarthRebel
We don't have a free market in ISP's you idiot. We have a highly regulated, quasi public/private market rife with collusion and corruption. There are like 3 ISP's that provide services to 90% of Americans, and most people have no more than 2 providers in a given area. In fact, large swaths of the nation only have 1 choice.
That's not a free market.
This is going to end the internet as we know it.
That's not a free market.
This is going to end the internet as we know it.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:15 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:I give up....
What about in areas do not have viable alternatives?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:16 pm to LSURussian
Cool.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:17 pm to crazy4lsu
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What if we have assurances that they "will" do it?
Nope. If they do it, then address it. That's how our legal and regulatory system work.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:17 pm to LSURussian
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I give up....
Maybe you could try providing a convincing link that there are lots of ISPs out there. Most of us live in the real world where we know that there aren't many viable alternatives because, you know, we've shopped around. In multiple cities.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:18 pm to cahoots
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Which are not viable alternatives. I've tried. It's not close.
Not viable alternatives for what? You can read the news, send emails, chat, etc. quite well using wireless.
Unless you're advocating that a "viable alternative" needs to have Gig speeds, which is ridiculous.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:19 pm to kingbob
quote:Sounds like the issue is not enough competition, then. How about we address the barriers to entry into this market so that we can have more competition?
We don't have a free market in ISP's you idiot. We have a highly regulated, quasi public/private market rife with collusion and corruption. There are like 3 ISP's that provide services to 90% of Americans, and most people have no more than 2 providers in a given area. In fact, large swaths of the nation only have 1 choice.
That's not a free market.
This is going to end the internet as we know it.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:19 pm to LSURussian
I really hope you morons understand if you think the corporation is always right and we don’t have some restrictions on them that this is literally inevitable:
And it’s not that corporations are evil, they’ll just continue to get larger and larger, buying out all their competition, and getting involved in every industry until there is no free market to speak of. It’s just them and they fricking own you and how you live your life. Overturning Net Neutrality will end the free market on free speech.
And it’s not that corporations are evil, they’ll just continue to get larger and larger, buying out all their competition, and getting involved in every industry until there is no free market to speak of. It’s just them and they fricking own you and how you live your life. Overturning Net Neutrality will end the free market on free speech.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:20 pm to Centinel
The rules in place right now are partly in response to what Comcast did to Netflix. I suppose we should do away with those rules so that we can be sure Verizon, Comcast and ATT can do it again.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:20 pm to Centinel
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Not viable alternatives for what? You can read the news, send emails, chat, etc. quite well using wireless.
Dude a single LTE connection is not going to function for a household of internet users any where close to a wired broadband connection
If it were that easy, I wouldn't pay for wireless and wired
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:22 pm to OMLandshark
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And it’s not that corporations are evil, they’ll just continue to get larger and larger, buying out all their competition, and getting involved in every industry until there is no free market to speak of. It’s just them and they fricking own you and how you live your life
This is an anti-trust issue, not a net neutrality issue.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:22 pm to Centinel
My alternative offers 12 Mbps through a public utility, which isn't really enough for gaming, streaming, and my work. That's the fastest that anyone other than Comcast offers in my area. Do I have a viable alternative?
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