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re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai: Why He's Rejecting Net Neutrality
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:37 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:37 pm to ShortyRob
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Those in fact are competitors
Thank you.
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How do you people not get this?
I get it. I am just arguing that (1) the power grid is regulated as a natural monopoly, despite the fact the competitors to it exist, (2) you guys seem to support that or at least be ok with it, therefore (3) wired internet service which is functionally equivalent to the above described grid should be regulated the same way.
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Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:38 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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If cut the cord and kept up our viewing habits you would probably double that 400GB you use with ease. You kids online gaming actually doesn't use that much data and require an insane amount of speed. Unless they are downloading games when at home.
I've considered giving up the cable, but really with the package price I have that includes TV, the internet, and Cox Home Life, how much would I really save, and would it be worth losing the convenience of just flipping onto a TV channel when I want to watch something rather than having to flip through a million apps to find it?
And really in another probably 10 years cable/satelite TV will probably be a thing of the past anyway and everything will be watched online. My friend has told me that once Cox gets their Gigablast system online over a large enough area that is their plan
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It will not be better in a few years
That's just not true
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Wireless is in your future. Get used to it
it is part of the future but not the future of a permanent internet solution.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:38 pm to stat19
I quit watching at ~8 minutes when the FCC guy essentially said that service providers giving unlimited bandwidth to certain music providers wouldn't disadvantage music providers that couldn't be apart of this synergistic club.
Generally, I find Indian looking people very credible. I have found that they are more motivated by the "science" than by greed or politics. Of course, Louisiana knows this isn't always true. However, when you say that this doesn't allow isp's to economically protect their chosen providers - at a disadvantage to other providers of services - you lose that credibility.
A handful of companies will be able to make or break music, video, etc providers. If a handful choose netflix for the free and/or faster data, then netflix will rule the streaming video world.
In our corrupt country, I don't trust the providers or the FCC to regulate on a case by case method. If the swamp is drained, I think it could work well.
Generally, I find Indian looking people very credible. I have found that they are more motivated by the "science" than by greed or politics. Of course, Louisiana knows this isn't always true. However, when you say that this doesn't allow isp's to economically protect their chosen providers - at a disadvantage to other providers of services - you lose that credibility.
A handful of companies will be able to make or break music, video, etc providers. If a handful choose netflix for the free and/or faster data, then netflix will rule the streaming video world.
In our corrupt country, I don't trust the providers or the FCC to regulate on a case by case method. If the swamp is drained, I think it could work well.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:39 pm to ShortyRob
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Okay. Is a Kia a competitor to a BMW? How about a motorcycle? How about a moped?
Depends on the exact context. Kia and BMWs are competitors. Motorcycles almost certaint. Moped can be depending on context.
Depends on the specific product in question.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:40 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:40 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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but not the future of a permanent internet solution.
Absolutely is. The industry is already banking on it
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:40 pm to CorporateTiger
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I get it. I am just arguing that (1) the power grid is regulated as a natural monopoly, despite the fact the competitors to it exist
This is because no matter how much people want to pretend electricity is the same as content it isn't. And please for the love of fricking God don't start talking about packets.
But if you insist I will again point out that people aren't just allowed to plug into the grid if they are going to use tremendous amounts of power.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:41 pm to Centinel
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Because the vast majority (I'd guess 95%) don't have the latency and QoS requirements us ubergeeks do.
I'd run aa server if I didn't have a data cap
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Which is going to hurt the wired ISPs and force them to offer better and better service.
Wired ISPs will be forced to offer better service if more ISPs can compete with them.
A lot of the ISPs in England set up the hotspots in London for the customers using home internet to connect to. Both techs will play off each other. Wireless is not going to be the be all end all future like some posters are saying.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:41 pm to Volvagia
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Or at least inside of the 50 year technology window.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Absolutely is. The industry is already banking on it
no its not
if the backbone goes out the backbone goes out
wireless solutions are also prone to damage
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:43 pm to culsutiger
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The entire thread is about the FCC operating within the law.
No, it's not
The biggest hang up in getting more supportt for NN is title II
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:43 pm to culsutiger
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The entire thread is about the FCC operating within the law. If you change the law, the whole thing becomes irrelevant.
Yea, and the Chairman is actively trying get a new Order passed that would undo the 2015 ruling. So again, people are actively working to change something that you said is not currently possible to change.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:43 pm to CorporateTiger
quote:it doesn't depend on which product.
Depends on the exact context. Kia and BMWs are competitors. Motorcycles almost certaint. Moped can be depending on context.
Depends on the specific product in question
The lowest functioning moped is a competitor for a BMW 7 Series
So basically your answer was pretty good without the caveat
Unequal competitors are still competitors. They each set the floor and ceiling for each other
Sure anyone wanting a car would pick a BMW over a moped. But not if the BMW was $500,000.
Conversely someone willing to ride a moped to save money would likely not by the moped if the bitch cost 40 Grand because you might as well buy a car.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:43 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Wired ISPs will be forced to offer better service if more ISPs can compete with them.
That's what I'm getting at. For 95% of households, wireless will meet their internet needs. They don't need the latency and QoS powerusers do.
That leaves the ISPs with a massive drop in customer base, forcing them to improve their products in such a way that it makes people want to chose a wired solution over a wireless one.
Because people will always choose wireless over wired because it's "easier."
Look at it this way...stop looking at internet service through the your own eyes. Look at it through the eyes of your average dumb 'Murican.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:44 pm to ShortyRob
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This is because no matter how much people want to pretend electricity is the same as content it isn't.
Why not? You are just saying these things without supporting them.
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But if you insist I will again point out that people aren't just allowed to plug into the grid if they are going to use tremendous amounts of power.
I’m not sure how you think this changes my argument? Do you think google’s server farms are running on regular residential internet?
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:45 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Absolutely is. The industry is already banking on it
no its not
if the backbone goes out the backbone goes out
wireless solutions are also prone to damage
Your problem is trying to project using current day limitations. You're behind the times
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:46 pm to Centinel
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That's what I'm getting at. For 95% of households, wireless will meet their internet needs. They don't need to latency and QoS powerusers do. That leaves the ISPs with a massive drop in customer base, forcing them to improve their products in such a way that it makes people want to chose a wired solution over a wireless one. Because people will always choose wireless over wired because it's "easier." Look at it this why...stop looking at internet service through the your own eyes. Look at it through the eyes of your average dumb 'Murican.
The two will play off each other, but as the avg American gets more educated and tech savy their demands will grow and wireless won't be able to meet that.
The avg dumb American isn't grasping why all traffic needs to be treated the same.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:47 pm to Centinel
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That leaves the ISPs with a massive drop in customer base, forcing them to improve their products in such a way that it makes people want to chose a wired solution over a wireless one
Exactly
I would like to add that you can actually play some mental what-ifs here to prove there is competition
Just for shits and giggles let's pretend for a second that somehow Verizon figures out efficiencies that allow it to provide it's Max 4G plan at $20 a month
You think that would impact the Comcast players of the world?
Or. Looking at the wired providers. Let's imagine they start feeling their oats and grossly over pricing and restricting their product
Do people not recognize that this will cause a flow of money into alternatives and into improving Wireless Solutions
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:48 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Wired ISPs will be forced to offer better service if more ISPs can compete with them.
When Verizon is hitting 1g per second with 5G you don't think this will be direct competition?
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