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re: Fauci Would Still Have Polio’ If There Had Been As Much Misinformation As With Covid
Posted on 7/17/21 at 8:41 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 7/17/21 at 8:41 pm to crazy4lsu
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He's absolutely right.
He is, but only bc they can no longer test these things on retarded kids/adults, criminals, and orphans, while hiding the “bad” outcomes until they are able to perfect the vaccine.
Posted on 7/17/21 at 8:42 pm to TigerAxeOK
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Unlike COVID, both smallpox and polio had high death rates and unfathomable long term physical effects.
By the turn of the 19th century, public health efforts such as water filtration had significantly decreased the amount of both smallpox and polio infections. The lack of polio infections caused an absence of passive immunity from mother to child, which coincidentally led to an increase to polio in children.
Smallpox infections in the US at the time of the WHO mass vaccination effort were limited, and the vaccination program itself had an extremely high injury rate. I'm absolutely skeptical that a similar mass vaccination program with the same injury rate would succeed in the US, especially when the goal was eradication.
Posted on 7/17/21 at 8:44 pm to td1
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He is, but only bc they can no longer test these things on retarded kids/adults, criminals, and orphans, while hiding the “bad” outcomes until they are able to perfect the vaccine.
But that isn't how either the smallpox vaccination program or the polio vaccination program developed, as each was post-Nuremberg. The original smallpox inoculation effort led by Edward Jenner was more deadly than the later post-war efforts.
Posted on 7/17/21 at 8:46 pm to td1
Read The Vaccine Race by Meredith Wadman.
Posted on 7/17/21 at 8:48 pm to Revelator
What if I’m not getting the vaccine because of the fear of needles. If me not getting kills you oh well
Posted on 7/17/21 at 8:52 pm to crazy4lsu
Here is the description. It was a good book, there was a lot of shady shot going on back in the day.
A real jewel of science history...brims with suspense and now-forgotten catastrophe and intrigue...Wadman’s smooth prose calmly spins a surpassingly complicated story into a real tour de force."—The New York Times
“Riveting . . . [The Vaccine Race] invites comparison with Rebecca Skloot's 2007 The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks.”—Nature
The epic and controversial story of a major breakthrough in cell biology that led to the conquest of rubella and other devastating diseases.
Until the late 1960s, tens of thousands of American children suffered crippling birth defects if their mothers had been exposed to rubella, popularly known as German measles, while pregnant; there was no vaccine and little understanding of how the disease devastated fetuses. In June 1962, a young biologist in Philadelphia, using tissue extracted from an aborted fetus from Sweden, produced safe, clean cells that allowed the creation of vaccines against rubella and other common childhood diseases. Two years later, in the midst of a devastating German measles epidemic, his colleague developed the vaccine that would one day wipe out homegrown rubella. The rubella vaccine and others made with those fetal cells have protected more than 150 million people in the United States, the vast majority of them preschoolers. The new cells and the method of making them also led to vaccines that have protected billions of people around the world from polio, rabies, chicken pox, measles, hepatitis A, shingles and adenovirus.
Meredith Wadman’s masterful account recovers not only the science of this urgent race, but also the political roadblocks that nearly stopped the scientists. She describes the terrible dilemmas of pregnant women exposed to German measles and recounts testing on infants, prisoners, orphans, and the intellectually disabled, which was common in the era. These events take place at the dawn of the battle over using human fetal tissue in research, during the arrival of big commerce in campus labs, and as huge changes take place in the laws and practices governing who “owns” research cells and the profits made from biological inventions. It is also the story of yet one more unrecognized woman whose cells have been used to save countless lives.
With another frightening virus--measles--on the rise today, no medical story could have more human drama, impact, or urgency than The Vaccine Race.
A real jewel of science history...brims with suspense and now-forgotten catastrophe and intrigue...Wadman’s smooth prose calmly spins a surpassingly complicated story into a real tour de force."—The New York Times
“Riveting . . . [The Vaccine Race] invites comparison with Rebecca Skloot's 2007 The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks.”—Nature
The epic and controversial story of a major breakthrough in cell biology that led to the conquest of rubella and other devastating diseases.
Until the late 1960s, tens of thousands of American children suffered crippling birth defects if their mothers had been exposed to rubella, popularly known as German measles, while pregnant; there was no vaccine and little understanding of how the disease devastated fetuses. In June 1962, a young biologist in Philadelphia, using tissue extracted from an aborted fetus from Sweden, produced safe, clean cells that allowed the creation of vaccines against rubella and other common childhood diseases. Two years later, in the midst of a devastating German measles epidemic, his colleague developed the vaccine that would one day wipe out homegrown rubella. The rubella vaccine and others made with those fetal cells have protected more than 150 million people in the United States, the vast majority of them preschoolers. The new cells and the method of making them also led to vaccines that have protected billions of people around the world from polio, rabies, chicken pox, measles, hepatitis A, shingles and adenovirus.
Meredith Wadman’s masterful account recovers not only the science of this urgent race, but also the political roadblocks that nearly stopped the scientists. She describes the terrible dilemmas of pregnant women exposed to German measles and recounts testing on infants, prisoners, orphans, and the intellectually disabled, which was common in the era. These events take place at the dawn of the battle over using human fetal tissue in research, during the arrival of big commerce in campus labs, and as huge changes take place in the laws and practices governing who “owns” research cells and the profits made from biological inventions. It is also the story of yet one more unrecognized woman whose cells have been used to save countless lives.
With another frightening virus--measles--on the rise today, no medical story could have more human drama, impact, or urgency than The Vaccine Race.
Posted on 7/17/21 at 8:57 pm to td1
Interesting. I've read a lot about the vaccinations recently, through some journal articles and in the book Smallpox: A History by Kotar and Gessler. I will read Waldman's book shortly.
Posted on 7/17/21 at 8:58 pm to Revelator
The effects of polio vs covid are extremely different. You might not even know if you have covid or not.
Posted on 7/17/21 at 9:30 pm to Revelator
Aren't smallpox and polio a lot more dangerous than the Wuhan Flu? Pretty sure small pox killed more than 1%. Polio causes musculoskeletal issues.
Fauci is a frickin moron.
Fauci is a frickin moron.
Posted on 7/17/21 at 9:36 pm to Revelator
Aren't smallpox and polio a lot more dangerous than the Wuhan Flu? Pretty sure small pox killed more than 1%. Polio causes musculoskeletal issues.
Fauci is a frickin moron.
Fauci is a frickin moron.
Posted on 7/17/21 at 9:45 pm to Barstools
I could be infected with both smallpox and polio and would have still thrown a better MLB opening pitch than he did last year.
Posted on 7/17/21 at 9:48 pm to Revelator
I agree that there definitely is a lot of misinformation out there (and I hate using the term). Look on here, plenty of posts that the vaccine is some sort of gov control over us all and something to be fearful of. And yeah he is probably right if the polio vaccine became as polarized as Covid we would still have it. That said it’s still people’s right to take it or not, and it’s their right to say whatever they want too.
Posted on 7/17/21 at 10:28 pm to Revelator
Seems like he might not want to mention the polio vaccine since contaminated vaccines were given to millions between 1955-1963.
CDC website -simian virus 40
CDC website -simian virus 40
Posted on 7/17/21 at 10:52 pm to rooster108bm
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He also leaves out that the first polio vaccines actually gave people polio.
One of Dr. Oschner’s grandkids died after he personally administered a polio vaccine to him.
Vaccines aren’t without controversy. Even the traditional ones.
Posted on 7/17/21 at 11:24 pm to MikeBRLA
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I bet he didn’t mention that it took 20 years of research before the government approved the polio vaccine.
The polio vaccine used in the 50s while designed to incorporate a deactivated virus still gave some people polio because the chemical used to deactivate the virus was not 100% effective. I have a high school classmate that contracted polio from the vaccine, he has walked with a severe limp for his entire life because of it.
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