Started By
Message

re: Father of slain UCSB student blames politicians and NRA

Posted on 5/25/14 at 10:54 am to
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29300 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 10:54 am to
Here's some more schools shootings:

quote:

February 6, 1864: Ashland County, Ohio, The school teacher of the Pyfer's School House, George W. Longfelt shot and instantly killed student Alfred Desem, and fled.[10]
February 16, 1867: Knights Ferry, California, Mr. McGinnis was shot and killed by his daughter's teacher after McGinnis threatened the teacher for expelling his daughter from school. When McGinnis's son learned of this, he went to the school and killed the teacher.[11]
April 2, 1867: Madison, Florida, Frank Pope, a pupil at the St. John's seminary shot and killed his teacher Mr. Bristow with a pistol.[12]
June 8, 1867: New York City, Arthur Day, a 13-year-old boy, secretly took a loaded pistol to Public School No. 18 to shoot a dog he said had bitten him. While playing with the pistol, Day accidentally shot and injured classmate Robert Morton.[13]
December 22, 1868: Chattanooga, Tennessee, A boy who refused to be whipped by his teacher, left the school. The next day he returned with his brother and a friend for revenge. Not finding the teacher at the school, they continued to his house, where a gun battle took place and three died. Only the boy survived.[14]
1870s
January 27, 1871: Knoxville, Tennessee, John Roberts, a little boy of ten or twelve, accidentally had one of his eyes shot out at school and died.[15]
June 23, 1871: Lagrange, Indiana, Miss Anna Dwight was shot to death in front of her students by, Chauncey Barnes a rejected suitor at the Stone Lake Schoolhouse, after shooting Anne he then turned the small six-shooter on himself, and shot twice to the head[16]
February 1, 1872: Washington, Pennsylvania, At the all girls Union School, son of Col. Norton McGiffin, and brother of Naval Hero Philo McGiffin, Thomas McGiffen, 17yrs old, shot in the hip and seriously wounded the principal, Prof. Wilson, because the professor refused to deliver a note to one of the young ladies for him.[17]


quote:

February 11, 1873 Wisconsin, A father shot the school mistress for whipping his son[18]
March, 1873: Iowa, Elvina Stickney, a school girl, shot her teacher because he was not in love with her. Elvina was pronounced insane.[19]
March 7, 1873: Salisbury, Maryland, On leaving school, teacher Miss Shockley was shot by 19-year-old George W. Hall. She died almost instantly. Four small children walking with the teacher were unharmed. The next night, Hall threw himself under a train, completing the incident as a murder-suicide.[20]
The issue of students carrying guns to school was a topic of discussion dating to the mid-1870s, as noted in this 1874 Los Angeles Herald article:
This post was edited on 5/25/14 at 10:56 am
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29300 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 10:56 am to
quote:

February 20, 1874: Agency, Montana, After being ejected from school for disobedience, Thomas Sguires, twenty years old, returned to the school yard a day or two later, and fatally shot Prof. Hayes in abdomen three times without warning.[22]
April 16, 1874: Lebanon, Kentucky, John R. Breckinridge, son of the late Robert Jefferson Breckinridge was shot to death at the Law school in Lebanon, Kentucky, by John L. Anderson, the Mayor's son who was reportedly "crazed with liquor".[23]
January 26, 1876: San Francisco, California, A young boy at the Lincoln Primary School accidentally shot himself while playing with a pistol under his desk. His fingers were badly hurt and he received a flesh wound to his leg. The principal, Miss Kate Sullivan, sent him home in the hopes that his parents would teach him to be a little more careful when handling firearms.[24]
December 6, 1877: San Juan Capistrano, California, The schoolmaster committed suicide by shooting himself after hours. He wrote on the blackboard, "May this solve the problem".[25]
May 24, 1878: St. Paul, Minnesota, A boy, Luckert, accidentally shot and wounded another boy, Allie McDonald at the Neill school. The bullet passed out, and the youth was said to recover. Mrs. McDonald went to the police station, but no formal complaint was filed.[26]
May 24, 1879: Lancaster, New York, Frank Shugart, a telegraph operator, shot and severely injured Mr. Carr, Superintendent of the stables at a girls' school.[27]
1880s
July 25, 1880: Baton Rouge, Louisiana, At Sunday School, a young couple Morris Behrues and his newly secretly married girl had carried a shotgun with, because Charles Behrues, Morris' cousin was in love with the girl, and was out to get them. Charles was seen coming towards the building with a shooting iron, when the school's superintendent went out to ward him away. Charles opened fire and killed the superintendent, and shot Morris, and three others.[28]
October 21, 1880: Cincinnati, Ohio, George Gohen, 14yrs old, shot himself un-fatally in the chest at the schoolhouse with a 22-caliber pistol. He tried to commit suicide, because Principal Sands reprimanded him for truancy.[29]
December, 1880: Sacramento, California, As George E. Landers was teaching at the Willow Slough school house, Mrs. Julia A. Finn drove up in a buggy and called out to him. When he came out to talk, Julia ask him to marry her, and he refused. Julia then took out a gun and fired three shots at him, but missed. She was then tried for attempted murder.[30]
December 1, 1881, Santa Monica, California, While working late on the program for the children's concert at the school house, the school master O'Donnell, and one of the parents got into an argument. the parent Williams pulled a gun and fatally shot O'Donnell in the back.[31]
December 22, 1881: Shelby County, Indiana, Charles J. Gregory, a school teacher shot at a pupil, at close range because he refused to write on the a slate. The bullet missed the boy, but his face was filled with powder. The teacher was arrested with great excitement.[32]
January, 1882: Iola, Kansas, A group of boys shot into a school house, but no one was hurt. Two of the boys were arrested and pleaded guilty three weeks later. They were fined $9.00 each.[33]
April 13, 1882: Huntsville, Texas, G. W. Gray, as student at the Sam Houston Normal School, shot and wounded another student, M. J. Jordan. They were arguing over a comic valentine that was sent in February.[34]
February 14, 1883: Florence, Nebraska, As the children were playing, and throwing snowballs in the front yard of the Ponca Creek school house, a wagon pulled up with three young men and engaged in a snowball fight. When they were leaving, one of the men pointed his 45 caliber, and accidentally shot and killed three of the school girls. Harbaugh, the young man who shot surrendered himself.[35]
November, 1883: Barber County, Kansas, As a bunch of drunken cowboys traveled through the area, they stopped at each schoolhouse forcing the teacher to drink whiskey. They first stopped at the Mayhew schoolhouse and forced teacher, Mr. Beals to drink from the bottle they had. At the next, they fired several shots at it. The school house following, on Bluff creek, they shot off the lock, filled the door full of bullets, and shot the lights and windows out. The next, they fired several shot at the building doing little damage. Finally, they arrived at District 72's schoolhouse, and forced the teacher, John Lowry, to drink whiskey.[36]
January 23, 1884: Sidney, Nebraska, A school boy accidentally shot himself in the hand while fooling around with a pistol. He had pointed the pistol at one of the school girls just moments earlier.[37]
February 28, 1884: Danville, Virginia, As Wamack, a fifteen year old boy drove by a "negro" school house, he called out "school butter." The entire school emptied out and attacked him, several shot were fired at him, and he returned fire shooting two students.[38]

Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29300 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 10:58 am to
quote:

March 15, 1884: Gainesville, Georgia, In the middle of the day, a group of very drunk Jackson County farmers left the Jug Tavern drinking and shooting their revolvers as they headed down the street driving people into their homes. As they approached the female academy, the girls fled the schoolyard into the school where the gang followed swearing and shooting, firing several rounds into the front door. No one was hurt.[40]
June 12, 1887: Cleveland, Tennessee, Will Guess went to the school and fatally shot Miss Irene Fann, his little sister's teacher, for whipping her the day before.[41]
May 17, 1889: Washington, D.C., Sarah E. Allen, a third grade teacher at the Jefferson school, is shot to death in front of her class by her estranged husband Oswald C. Allen, who then turned the gun on himself and committed suicide.[42]
June 13, 1889: New Brunswick, New Jersey, Charles Crawford, upset over an argument with a school Trustee, went up to the window and fired a pistol into a crowded school room. The bullet lodged in the wall just above the teacher's head.[43]
1890s
April 24, 1890: Brazil, Indiana, While the pupils of the Meridian Street School were at play, Ben Corbery drew a revolver and shot Cora Brubach, aged 10, seriously wounding her in the face. The reason for the assault was that the girl had informed the teacher of Ben's misconduct.[44]
December 27, 1890: Staunton, Virginia, At the Kable's Military Academy a 15-year-old student, A. H. Hathaway of Dennison, Texas, was accidentally shot dead by his 17-year-old classmate James Whitworth of Sulphur Springs, Texas while they were playing with an old pistol.[45]
January 20, 1891: Syracuse, New York, In an abusive rage, Wilber F. Baker went to the Bassett Street School, where his wife was teaching, entered the classroom and shot her five times, killing her. He was caught by police after a 40-mile chase.[46]
March 30, 1891: Liberty, Mississippi, During a school exhibition and concert given at the Parson Hill schoolhouse, just as the performances were starting in front of a large mixed audience of black people and white people, crowded with teachers, pupils, and spectators, a double barreled shotgun, heavily charged with shot, was fired into the assemblage by an unknown assailant. 14 people were wounded, some seriously.[47]
April 9, 1891: Newburgh, New York, James Ferguson, 70, fired a shotgun at a group of students in the playground of St. Mary's Parochial School, causing minor injuries to several of the students.[48]
October 10, 1892: At Kansas University, two students, E. Higgins and Jack Craycroft, were shot as they were walking back to their dorm rooms from practicing football at the athletic field by a double barreled shotgun as they passed the home of law student, Fred Basset. Basset said they were warned not to trespass on his farm as students so frequently did.[49]
March 26, 1893: Plain Dealing, Louisiana, During an evening school dance at Plain Dealing High School, a fight broke out. When the smoke cleared; two were shot dead, two more were fatally wounded, and the high school's Professor Johnson was shot in the arm.[50]
October 17, 1894: Brighton, near Parkersburg, West Virginia, when school was let out, Willis Gardner, 15, was shot to death and his 8-year-old brother fatally stabbed.[51]
February 1, 1896: Eureka, California, In the evening, a second attempt was made to burn down the High School Building in a weeks time. However, this time the watchman, shot at the arsonists, and frightened them away.[52]
December 13, 1898: Charles Town, West Virginia, During the School exhibition, a group of young men attempted to break up a student performance. The teacher Fisher, tried to throw the trouble makers out, when the group turned on him and several of the audience members jumped up to assist, when a free for all fight broke out. Harry Flasher was shot in the heart and instantly killed, Henry Carney was fatally shot in the back, Ralph Jones and two others were also fatally shot, George Gibson was shot in the hand, and Haz Harding had his skull crushed and several others received minor wounds[53]
December 28, 1898: Sioux City, Iowa, Teacher, May Thomas was lured out of the schoolhouse by Harry Garvey who was devoted to her, but she had refused his further attentions. He then pulled a revolver out and shot her dead, then killed himself.[54]
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29300 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 11:01 am to
There were a shite TON more school shootings before state sponsored prayer was removed from schools.

Like I said, don't be absurd.
This post was edited on 5/25/14 at 11:04 am
Posted by EmperorGout
I hate all of you.
Member since Feb 2008
11320 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 11:03 am to
quote:

But when we had school prayer, you didn't see students shooting up their schools. Now we do. So yes, he can argue that point.


Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29300 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 11:04 am to
He can argue that point all he wants. And we can open a history book and laugh.
Posted by EmperorGout
I hate all of you.
Member since Feb 2008
11320 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 11:06 am to
YOU KNOW BACK WHEN THE SKY BULLY GOT HIS DAILY DEVOTIONALS, THINGS LIKE THIS NEVAR HAPPENED

for, in addition to being omnipotent, he is also very emotionally needy and vindictive.
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
10752 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 11:07 am to
quote:

No you weren't. You're a liar.


I am not lying about that. That is what we were taught. I'm sure others who took hunter safety classes were taught the same thing.

Plus if you look at the statistics a loaded gun in the house is more likely to be used against a family member or in a suicide than it is against a stranger breaking into your home.

Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29300 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 11:18 am to
quote:

Plus if you look at the statistics a loaded gun in the house is more likely to be used against a family member or in a suicide than it is against a stranger breaking into your home.


That's a myth that has been debunked thousands of times.

You're deliberately intellectually dishonest.
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29300 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 11:19 am to
quote:

I am not lying about that. That is what we were taught. I'm sure others who took hunter safety classes were taught the same thing.


They don't teach anything about personal home defense in a hunting course. You're a liar. Period.

You're embarrassing yourself. Which it appears is nothing new.
Posted by CptRusty
Basket of Deplorables
Member since Aug 2011
11740 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 11:19 am to
quote:

YOU KNOW BACK WHEN THE SKY BULLY GOT HIS DAILY DEVOTIONALS, THINGS LIKE THIS NEVAR HAPPENED

for, in addition to being omnipotent, he is also very emotionally needy and vindictive




the level of sheer human pettiness people assign to deities is laughable

"I am the all loving, all knowing, all forgiving god of everything. But if your children don't pray to me every morning, I will cause or allow them to kill one another."

Posted by baybeefeetz
Member since Sep 2009
31868 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 11:22 am to
Anyway, what if a certain kind of bullying or peer pressure is what used to squash these psychos who now feel empowered to get "revenge"?

Not my greatest thought ever, but idgaf
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29300 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 11:23 am to
quote:

MYTH:"Since a gun in a home is many times more likely to kill a family member than to stop a criminal, armed citizens are not a deterrent to crime."

This myth, stemming from a superficial "study" of firearm accidents in the Cleveland, Ohio, area, represents a comparison of 148 accidental deaths (including suicides) to the deaths of 23 intruders killed by home owners over a 16-year period. 2

Gross errors in this and similar "studies"--with even greater claimed ratios of harm to good--include: the assumption that a gun hasn't been used for protection unless an assailant dies; no distinction is made between handgun and long gun deaths; all accidental firearm fatalities were counted whether the deceased was part of the "family" or not; all accidents were counted whether they occurred in the home or not, while self-defense outside the home was excluded; almost half the self-defense uses of guns in the home were excluded on the grounds that the criminal intruder killed may not have been a total stranger to the home defender; suicides were sometimes counted and some self-defense shootings misclassified. Cleveland's experience with crime and accidents during the study period was atypical of the nation as a whole and of Cleveland since the mid-1970s. Moreover, in a later study, the same researchers noted that roughly 10% of killings by civilians are justifiable homicides. 3

The "guns in the home" myth has been repeated time and again by the media, and anti-gun academics continue to build on it. In 1993, Dr. Arthur Kellermann of Emory University and a number of colleagues presented a study that claimed to show that a home with a gun was much more likely to experience a homicide.4 However, Dr. Kellermann selected for his study only homes where homicides had taken place--ignoring the millions of homes with firearms where no harm is done--and a control group that was not representative of American households. By only looking at homes where homicides had occurred and failing to control for more pertinent variables, such as prior criminal record or histories of violence, Kellermann et al. skewed the results of this study. Prof. Kleck wrote that with the methodology used by Kellermann, one could prove that since diabetics are much more likely to possess insulin than non-diabetics, possession of insulin is a risk factor for diabetes. Even Dr. Kellermann admitted this in his study: "It is possible that reverse causation accounted for some of the association we observed between gun ownership and homicide." Law Professor Daniel D. Polsby went further, "Indeed the point is stronger than that: 'reverse causation' may account for most of the association between gun ownership and homicide. Kellermann's data simply do not allow one to draw any conclusion."5

Research conducted by Professors James Wright and Peter Rossi,6 for a landmark study funded by the U.S. Department of Justice, points to the armed citizen as possibly the most effective deterrent to crime in the nation. Wright and Rossi questioned over 1,800 felons serving time in prisons across the nation and found:

81% agreed the "smart criminal" will try to find out if a potential victim is armed.

74% felt that burglars avoided occupied dwellings for fear of being shot.

80% of "handgun predators" had encountered armed citizens.
40% did not commit a specific crime for fear that the victim was armed.

34% of "handgun predators" were scared off or shot at by armed victims.

57% felt that the typical criminal feared being shot by citizens more than he feared being shot by police.

Professor Kleck estimates that annually 1,500-2,800 felons are legally killed in "excusable self-defense" or "justifiable" shootings by civilians, and 8,000-16,000 criminals are wounded. This compares to 300-600 justifiable homicides by police. Yet, in most instances, civilians used a firearm to threaten, apprehend, shoot at a criminal, or to fire a warning shot without injuring anyone.

Based on his extensive independent survey research, Kleck estimates that each year Americans use guns for protection from criminals more than 2.5 million times annually. 7 U.S. Department of Justice victimization surveys show that protective use of a gun lessens the chance that robberies, rapes, and assaults will be successfully completed while also reducing the likelihood of victim injury. Clearly, criminals fear armed citizens.

2 Rushforth, et al., "Accidental Firearm Fatalities in a Metropolitan County, " 100 American Journal of Epidemiology 499 (1975).
3 Rushforth, et al., "Violent Death in a Metropolitan County," 297 New England Journal of Medicine 531, 533 (1977).
4 Kellermann, et al., "Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home," New England Journal of Medicine 467 (1993).
5 Polsby, "The False Promise of Gun Control," The Atlantic Monthly, March 1994.
6 Wright and Rossi, Armed and Considered Dangerous: A Survey of Felons and Their Firearms (N.Y.: Aldine de Gruyter, 1986).
7 Kleck, interview, Orange County Register,Sept. 19, 1993.

Posted by roygu
Member since Jan 2004
11718 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 11:30 am to
quote:

This individual had three with him because he was plotting to kill people. Not hard to figure out.


According to the news, this morning, the shooter had made a video that indicated he was suicidal and dangerous. The police dept. was warned three weeks ago.
Wonder why his family or the police didn't act in accordance with California laws.
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29300 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 11:31 am to
When the police came and questioned him, he wrote in his journal that if they would have come inside they would have found all of his writings and his plans and arrested him.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90739 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 11:41 am to
quote:

Guns are made to kill. That is their purpose. Cars are made to transport people safetly. Cars have to be registered with the state and you need a driver's license to drive. Big difference


You are wrong. Guns are designed to force a projectile to a target. Many types of guns, or firearms to be more accurate, are designed for competitions or club activities. Try again.

Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29300 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 11:44 am to
quote:

MYTH : "The only purpose of a handgun is to kill people."

This often repeated statement is patently untrue, but to those Americans whose only knowledge of firearms comes from the nightly violence on television, it might seem believable. When anti-gun researcher James Wright, then of the University of Massachusetts, studied all the available literature on firearms, he concluded: "Even the most casual and passing familiarity with this literature is therefore sufficient to believe the contention that handguns have `no legitimate sport or recreational use.' "

There are an estimated 65-70 million privately owned handguns in the United States that are used for hunting, target shooting, protection of families and businesses, and other legitimate and lawful purposes. By comparison, handguns were used in an estimated 13,200 homicides in 1992 --less than 0.02% (two hundredths of 1%) of the handguns in America.

Many of these reported homicides (1,500-2,800) were self-defense or justifiable and, therefore, not criminal. That fact alone renders the myth about the "only purpose" of handguns absurd, for more than 99% of all handguns are used for no criminal purpose.

By far the most commonly cited reason for owning a handgun is protection against criminals. At least one-half of handgun owners in America own handguns for protection and security. A handgun's function is one of insurance as well as defense. A handgun in the home is a contingency, based on the knowledge that if there ever comes a time when it is needed, no substitute will do. Certainly no violent intent is implied, any more than a purchaser of life insurance intends to die soon.
Posted by Beerinthepocket
Dallas
Member since May 2011
862 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 11:59 am to
quote:

If you carry you handgun with you at all times which liberal gun carry laws are supposed to do do you need to have three hand guns with you at the same time?


First thing, this is America and our rights aren't based on "need", we have freedom to do what we want in this country.

My Father occasionally carried 3 handguns on him when at his office as his business was not in the best part of town and he worked late often. A hammerless revolver was carried in his jacket pocket if he was wearing a jacket. A semi-automatic on his hip as the primary. A third small revolver inside his boot in case of being disarmed of the other two or easy access from a seated position.

Did he need three guns? No, but that doesn't matter.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90739 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 12:01 pm to
quote:

Did he need three guns


Banning hi cap magazines prevents this type of tragedy... not.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
92606 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 12:02 pm to
quote:

If you carry you handgun with you at all times which liberal gun carry laws are supposed to do do you need to have three hand guns with you at the same time?


Who is arguing that you do need 3 guns? Nobody carries 3 guns on them..it would be uncomfortable. The killer did it because he had criminal intentions and it allowed for him to just swap guns instead of reloading.

I do keep 2 guns in my truck but that's because I use a shotgun every day on my catfish farm for predatory birds and keep a pistol for self defense.
first pageprev pagePage 4 of 6Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram