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re: Father of slain UCSB student blames politicians and NRA
Posted on 5/25/14 at 7:54 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Posted on 5/25/14 at 7:54 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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So which organization is to blame for the three killed by knife?
Ban knives. You'll just have to find a way to cut that steak with a fork. Until, of course, somebody gets stabbed with a fork. Then you'll need to make do with a spoon.
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Posted on 5/25/14 at 8:34 am to Tigerlaff
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but what a time to make a ridiculous political point
I'm willing to give a father who just lost his son a pass on the hysterics. I can't imagine the grief this man must be feeling right now.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 8:35 am to Holden Caulfield
The father is misguided, but I won't criticize him for lashing out in grief. Who I do have contempt for, is ABC and news media, who have once again.. decided not to let a tragedy go to waste. They wasted no time in trying to politicize the situation.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 8:39 am to Alahunter
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The father is misguided, but I won't criticize him for lashing out in grief. Who I do have contempt for, is ABC and news media, who have once again.. decided not to let a tragedy go to waste. They wasted no time in trying to politicize the situation.
They are going to need a distraction when they discover this latest shooter is yet another leftist....
Posted on 5/25/14 at 8:45 am to Alahunter
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The father is misguided, but I won't criticize him for lashing out in grief. Who I do have contempt for, is ABC and news media, who have once again.. decided not to let a tragedy go to waste. They wasted no time in trying to politicize the situation.
The California elite worship narcissism like it's a god, out there. So some narcissist youth is turned back from getting on a ride when he don't meet the 'tall enough' line...and he goes rogue against the whole of society.
That Father might ought to consider the CULTURE that he - and likely his children - lives in, and the problematic aspects therein.
BTW, the world is what it is; chaos rules. Stuff happens. To the best of us. Rains on the just and the unjust.
I give the Father a pass. Of course, this event could affect him just like the 'not tall enough to ride' scenario did Rodger.
Challenging Universe.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 8:50 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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this latest shooter is yet another leftist....
The son of a Hollywood producer? We all know how 99% of those people lean. However and without a doubt, the media will make this kid look like a hardcore conservative in the coming days.
The media tells me leftists don't believe in ownership of guns. Man, what a fricking world we're living in.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 8:58 am to Holden Caulfield
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I'm willing to give a father who just lost his son a pass on the hysterics.
I kige this.
People on the right do the same thing (one of the Columbine fathers blamed the ban on formal school prayer for that incident). And you could argue that he has a point ( not too many mass shootings before the 1960s) just as you could argue that the UCSB shooter couldn't have racked up as many casualties without a gun. Doesn't make it right, but you can't reasonably expect bereaved family members to think rationally.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 9:02 am to Homesick Tiger
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The media tells me leftists don't believe in ownership of guns. Man, what a fricking world we're living in.
I could go on a rant.
I won't.
It's a long weekend and the weather is nice.
Have a good day, Politards.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 9:16 am to Tigerlaff
My cousin is a Director there at UCSB with only 2 months on the job. Terrible tragedy, but blaming the NRA is ludicrous as if somehow the NRA pulled the trigger.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 9:22 am to Bestbank Tiger
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And you could argue that he has a point ( not too many mass shootings before the 1960s) just as you could argue that the UCSB shooter couldn't have racked up as many casualties without a gun.
It could also be argued that the "cultural revolution" of the 1960's and it's subsequent penumbras of entitlement are at fault.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 9:26 am to RockyMtnTide
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Yo, Martinez - your son died because of YOU. You either pushed for or supported gun control legislation in California or you stood by and did nothing. At the very least you allowed your family to reside in a state where they do not have the freedom to protect themselves thus leaving them exposed to those who aren’t impacted by laws. So YOU martinez kill your own son – deal with it and STFU
I'm sure you're going to have your gun drawn against every car that passes down the street. You just might be the biggest idiot that ever frequented this board. Congratulations.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 9:46 am to Rex
I will cut Richard Martinez a lot of slack. His son was just murdered and he does have a point about the NRA and the Republican Party.
Why did Rodgers have three semi-automatic handguns? Can you really use three at one for self-defense? I mean the NRA and conservative talking point is self-defense.
I agree that the NRA had nothing to do directly with the murders but do you really need three semi-automatic handguns for self defense?
I think the most you can use at one time safely is one. I don't know of any responsible hunter safety or gun safety class or instructor who teaches you how to use two handguns at the same time.
Why did Rodgers have three semi-automatic handguns? Can you really use three at one for self-defense? I mean the NRA and conservative talking point is self-defense.
I agree that the NRA had nothing to do directly with the murders but do you really need three semi-automatic handguns for self defense?
I think the most you can use at one time safely is one. I don't know of any responsible hunter safety or gun safety class or instructor who teaches you how to use two handguns at the same time.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 9:49 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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think the most you can use at one time safely is one. I don't know of any responsible hunter safety or gun safety class or instructor who teaches you how to use two handguns at the same time.
What if you have three stored in differing areas of your home for self defense?
Posted on 5/25/14 at 9:52 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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Why did Rodgers have three semi-automatic handguns? Can you really use three at one for self-defense? I mean the NRA and conservative talking point is self-defense.
I agree that the NRA had nothing to do directly with the murders but do you really need three semi-automatic handguns for self defense?
I'm betting we will never find out.
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Lawyer Alan Shifman, who represents killer Elliot Rodger’s father, director Peter Rodger, “said the family is ‘staunchly against guns’ and supports gun-control laws,”
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California laws, including background checks, testing, a 10-day waiting period, one handgun per month, and many others that have earned the state high marks from anti-gun groups.
California:
Requires all gun sales to be processed through a licensed dealer, requiring a background check;
Requires gun dealers to obtain a state license;
Bans most assault weapons and 50 caliber rifles, and prohibits the sale or transfer of large capacity ammunition magazines;
Requires all firearms purchasers to obtain a license, after passing a written test;
Regulates gun shows;
Limits handgun purchases to one per person per month;
Prohibits the sale of “unsafe handguns” not on the roster of approved handguns;
Imposes a ten-day waiting period prior to the sale or transfer of a firearm;
Maintains permanent records of firearm sales;
Gives local law enforcement discretion to deny a license to carry a concealed weapon; and
Gives local governments authority to regulate firearms and ammunition, although the state legislature has expressly removed this authority in certain areas.
In addition, in 2007, California became the first jurisdiction in the nation to require handgun microstamping.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 10:10 am to Tigerlaff
More people die in car accidents. Should cars be banned as well?
And more die from drug overdoses than both. People can't be protected from life.
And more die from drug overdoses than both. People can't be protected from life.
This post was edited on 5/25/14 at 10:24 am
Posted on 5/25/14 at 10:21 am to Jake88
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What if you have three stored in differing areas of your home for self defense?
I thought concealed weapons permits and open carry laws are meant so you can have a hand gun with you at all times. But I supposed you may need one for the bedroom, the living room, the kitchen, the garage, the bathrooms, the basement, the laundry room, the shed, all the other bedrooms of course stored separately from the ammunition since hunter's safety told us to store ammo separately under lock and key and you should never have a loaded gun in the house.
If you took hunter's safety they told us about keeping ammo separately under lock and key and never to store a loaded gun in the house, but maybe now they don't teach that because you need to keep loaded guns in the house to prevent the ATF from taking your guns.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 10:23 am to Bestbank Tiger
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And you could argue that he has a point ( not too many mass shootings before the 1960s) j
Aren't school homicides extremely down while mass shootings have remained a statistical outlier that hasn't really changed?
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By the 2008-2009 school year, the number of school-age children murdered in the United States had dropped to 1,579—a decline of 42 percent from the 2,719 school-age children murdered in the 1992-93 school year. Also in the 2008-2009 school year, the number of children murdered at school dropped to 17—a decline of 50 percent from the 34 children murdered at school in the 1992-93 school year.
The 20 young children whom Adam Lanza murdered at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., on Friday, exceeds the entire number of school-age children murdered at school (17) in either the 2008-2009 or the 2009-2010 school years. In the 2007-2008 school year, 21 children were murdered at school.
The perception of violence in this country doesn't equal the actual statistics. The 24 hour media just makes everything constant national news that you might not have heard about back in the day. This country is pretty safe compared to the past
I have some good articles/studies that I'll find on this later that measures the perception of violence against the actual statistics.
This post was edited on 5/25/14 at 10:26 am
Posted on 5/25/14 at 10:24 am to Revelator
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More people die in car accidents. Should cars be banned as well?
Guns are made to kill. That is their purpose. Cars are made to transport people safetly. Cars have to be registered with the state and you need a driver's license to drive. Big difference.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 10:25 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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I thought concealed weapons permits and open carry laws are meant so you can have a hand gun with you at all times. But I supposed you may need one for the bedroom, the living room, the kitchen, the garage, the bathrooms, the basement, the laundry room, the shed, all the other bedrooms
Stupid talking point. Concealed carry is for self-defense outside your home (and further, it means concealed as opposed to having your gun in a holster).
Most gun owners don't walk around the house with their guns. I don't carry my wallet or my cell phone around the house either.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 10:30 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Stupid talking point. Concealed carry is for self-defense outside your home (and further, it means concealed as opposed to having your gun in a holster).
Most gun owners don't walk around the house with their guns. I don't carry my wallet or my cell phone around the house either.
Ok, what is the optimum number of guns to have in your house for self-defense? How many do you need in various rooms and places for self-defense? I mean if you are in your kitchen and someone breaks into your garage you need one in your kitchen at least and one in your living room and family room when you are at home and someone breaks in your house. Plus you need one for each bedroom of course for when you are asleep. And each bathroom in case you are in the bathroom when someone breaks in.
Wouldn't it be easier to carry your gun at all times with you? Or do you like the comfort of having about ten loaded guns around your house just in case?
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