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re: Faith in "Science" = "man made religion" (Evolution related)
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:24 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:24 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:quote:Correct.
Because, with perfect understanding, surely we could trace step-by-step as a single process how elements fuse into others, undergo reactions, and combine into molecules that continue on reacting and converting energy and replicating and eventually becoming what we refer to as "life", which then continues on replicating and evolving, etc. Right?
Care to elaborate on your position? Does a satisfactory theory of evolution have to describe this entire continuum of everything?
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Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:24 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Someone who bases their "beliefs" in an idea that is backed by mountains of evidence (evolution), and who admits where answers are lacking (abiogenesis).
OR
Someone who bases their beliefs on absolutely nothing of substance?
This is where an actually interesting philosophical discussion could take place. I attempted to steer the discussion in this direction on the first page, but ridiculous posters like Rog and Dawg instead chose the petty religion vs science angle that is played out on this board.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:26 pm to Korkstand
quote:Who is more deserving of ridicule?
who is more deserving of ridicule?
Someone who bases their "beliefs" in an idea that is backed by mountains of evidence (evolution), and who admits where answers are lacking (abiogenesis).
OR
Someone who bases their beliefs on absolutely nothing of substance?
IMO, someone who refuses to admit belief at all. i.e., an avowed atheist who claims no belief in abiogenesis invites ridicule.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:28 pm to CptBengal
quote:
You want OBSERVABLE evolution?
Any Poli board thread has this on a daily basis, especially so if certain unnamed liberal posters start the thread.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:28 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:quote:Not by me.
Pointing out that abiogenesis has not been properly explained is not sufficient to disprove evolution, as has been attempted in this thread.
You most certainly did. Your first post in this thread:
quote:quote:
There is observable evidence in fossil records and genetic testing that proves evolution.
Provide the scientific evidence that life evolved from non-life.
Until you do, the blind faith of people who believe it did is based on the same amount of scientific evidence as the blind faith of people who believe God created life.
Zero.
Seems to be a pretty clear-cut example of claiming there is zero evidence for evolution because we can't explain how life came from non-life.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:35 pm to Korkstand
Why is abiogenesis being discussed in a thread about evolution? They are unrelated. Is that so hard to understand.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:36 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
IMO, someone who refuses to admit belief at all. i.e., an avowed atheist who claims no belief in abiogenesis invites ridicule.
Really? It's ridiculous to wait for evidence before forming an opinion or believing in something? Seems logical to me.
So, in your opinion, how ridiculous is it to hold onto beliefs despite evidence contrary to those beliefs?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:43 pm to Korkstand
quote:You mean like an atheist claiming no particular belief in abiogenesis?
So, in your opinion, how ridiculous is it to hold onto beliefs despite evidence contrary to those beliefs?
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:46 pm to NC_Tigah
Nice edit
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:46 pm to Korkstand
quote:
So, in your opinion, how ridiculous is it to hold onto beliefs despite evidence contrary to those beliefs?
That depends heavily on the importance of the belief and the strength of the contrary evidence.
I'm sure many people in this thread believe they are good posters despite heavy evidence to the contrary.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:47 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Fail.
Seems to be a pretty clear-cut example of claiming there is zero evidence for evolution because we can't explain how life came from non-life.
Fail.
It is obvious that I was referring to zero evidence for abiogenesis not evolution and you know it.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:48 pm to TK421
Just watched the linked video...the dude was relentless
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:50 pm to DawgfaninCa
You see scientists ridicule people everytime they express their blief that god created life?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:51 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:But you quoted and replied to a sentence about evidence for evolution.
Fail.
It is obvious that I was referring to zero evidence for abiogenesis not evolution and you know it.
Why even bring up abiogenesis in a thread about evolution, if not to ridicule evolution "believers" by pointing out that we don't have a satisfactory theory for abiogenesis?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:53 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:I don't have any particular belief in abiogenesis, because I don't have a fricking clue how it happened. How is that ridiculous?
You mean like an atheist claiming no particular belief in abiogenesis?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:55 pm to TK421
quote:
This is where an actually interesting philosophical discussion could take place. I attempted to steer the discussion in this direction on the first page, but ridiculous posters like Rog instead chose the petty religion vs science angle that is played out on this board.
FIFY
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:58 pm to Korkstand
quote:
OP linked a video that was produced by a religious man for the sole purpose of attempting to ridicule scientists.
Disagree ... the point of the video seems to be that some form of faith is required to believe either Darwinian evolution or creationism
Posted on 7/28/14 at 3:06 pm to mattloc
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Disagree ... the point of the video seems to be that some form of faith is required to believe either Darwinian evolution or creationism
And that was achieved by asking questions about a direct observation of a "change of kinds", which is not only never defined but is also quite obviously impossible to observe in a human lifetime?
It was a series of ridiculous questions intended to ridicule, and it ignores the actual evidence for evolution.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 3:06 pm to TK421
quote:
Only if you completely bastardize the meaning of the word "demonstrable"
Not at all
Demonstrable doesnt mean we know it happened, it means the proposed mechanism of abiogenesis can be demonstrated and studied in a lab setting using the parameters of the early earth as we understand them to have been. Furthermore, the state of life we see is congruent with this idea.
All it means is that the claim that abiogenesis cannot happen is false, nothing more. It can happen, the question is whether it did or not. This is something that is unlikely to ever be known for certain.
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 3:08 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:
it means the proposed mechanism of abiogenesis can be demonstrated and studied in a lab setting using the parameters of the early earth as we understand them to have been
And this does not exist.
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