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Faith in "Science" = "man made religion" (Evolution related)
Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:32 am
Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:32 am
Interview of several PHD scientist and students
Thoughts on the questions and answers or lack there of?
Thoughts on the questions and answers or lack there of?
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:41 am to ApexTiger
Maybe some faith in something but atleast it's based on searching for the truth(facts) and not regularly spitting in the face of contrary evidence.
Eta: didn't click your link
Eta: didn't click your link
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 6:42 am
Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:43 am to ApexTiger
Evolution is based off of observation of the natural world, and scientific conjectures. The main difference is that when evolution is wrong about something they correct it, but it never really contradicts the general principle. We may have the family trees mixed up, but the evidence points to a single tree not a bunch of stick planted int he ground.
Obviously we haven't observed it over time, but i didn't observe Julius Caesar but i believe he existed.
There could be invisible monsters pulling me to the ground but i would rather believe in gravity.
The evidence based on what we know about geology, and biology points to evolution.
Obviously we haven't observed it over time, but i didn't observe Julius Caesar but i believe he existed.
There could be invisible monsters pulling me to the ground but i would rather believe in gravity.
The evidence based on what we know about geology, and biology points to evolution.
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 6:45 am
Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:56 am to ApexTiger
quote:
"man made religion"
As opposed to ?
Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:01 am to ApexTiger
What a joke.
Typical religious fool, who doesn't understand the questions he is asking....Thinking it's some sort of gotcha.
You want OBSERVABLE evolution?
Fine. The flu, bacteria, and viruses
Typical religious fool, who doesn't understand the questions he is asking....Thinking it's some sort of gotcha.
You want OBSERVABLE evolution?
Fine. The flu, bacteria, and viruses
Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:05 am to SammyTiger
quote:
Obviously we haven't observed it over time
We observe it all the time.
The problem is you need to look at the concept of generations, not a lifetime.
Since our generations down thousands of years, better to look at something like a bacteria that goes through that same process in a month.
We also know sue to the bottleneck and island effects, which are observed. Then we can talk about genetic drift and gene expression, which is also observed.
Good I hate the religious morons who misapply scientific concepts in some idiotic gotcha attempt.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:07 am to ApexTiger
quote:
Thoughts on the questions and answers or lack there of?
There is observable evidence in fossil records and genetic testing that proves evolution.
There is zero evidence that life was created instantly without the direction of evolution. There is zero evidence that man was created as he is today. If other species of man had survived to this day, there would be no argument over evolution. Man is a 46 chromosome ape. Our closest relative is a chimpanzee.
Evidence on Earth suggests evolution. God could be in the background pulling all the strings though. But we can't observe that, can we?
Science as intended is not a 'man made religion.' It's simply applying methods to understand 'what is' in our world.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:05 am to CptBengal
quote:
You want OBSERVABLE evolution?
Fine. The flu, bacteria, and viruses
LOL....
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:07 am to CptBengal
quote:
Typical religious fool, who doesn't understand the questions he is asking....Thinking it's some sort of gotcha.
"uhh...well it's like over 60 million years ago"
Does that not sound ridiculous?
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:10 am to ApexTiger
quote:
"uhh...well it's like over 60 million years ago"
Does that not sound ridiculous?
This is not going to go well
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:28 am to ApexTiger
I couldn't make it through that video.
Those people are mostly idiots.
That being said, there is some faith placed in the philosophy of science by scientists as well as the public at large. We trust that the scientific method is valid, for example. Observables may be explained by more than one theory, but some degree of bias can influence what is determined to be the most "logical" one.
And before anyone argues that there is zero faith involved with science, unless you can explain the quantum mechanics behind radioactive decay, you have put your trust in someone that has used a superior intellect to determine the age of fossils.
Those people are mostly idiots.
That being said, there is some faith placed in the philosophy of science by scientists as well as the public at large. We trust that the scientific method is valid, for example. Observables may be explained by more than one theory, but some degree of bias can influence what is determined to be the most "logical" one.
And before anyone argues that there is zero faith involved with science, unless you can explain the quantum mechanics behind radioactive decay, you have put your trust in someone that has used a superior intellect to determine the age of fossils.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:47 am to SammyTiger
quote:
Evolution is based off of observation of the natural world, and scientific conjectures. The main difference is that when evolution is wrong about something they correct it, but it never really contradicts the general principle. We may have the family trees mixed up, but the evidence points to a single tree not a bunch of stick planted int he ground.
This. Its the idea that not all wrongs are equal.
If person A says the Earth is flat and person B says the Earth is a sphere, they'd both be technically wrong. But Person B is much less wrong than Person A.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:09 am to ApexTiger
The irony is that all religion is man made.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:45 am to Enadious
quote:
There is observable evidence in fossil records and genetic testing that proves evolution.
Provide the scientific evidence that life evolved from non-life.
Until you do, the blind faith of people who believe it did is based on the same amount of scientific evidence as the blind faith of people who believe God created life.
Zero.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:50 am to ApexTiger
Every belief (in science too) eventually requires faith.
Some say they 'observe facts' but how do they know they aren't in a comatose state having visions of 'observable facts'?
No one really knows. Faith eventually comes into play with all things.
Some say they 'observe facts' but how do they know they aren't in a comatose state having visions of 'observable facts'?
No one really knows. Faith eventually comes into play with all things.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:50 am to DawgfaninCa
quote:If you believe this not to be the case, what do you believe is the origin of life?
Provide the scientific evidence that life evolved from non-life.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:16 am to DawgfaninCa
quote:
Provide the scientific evidence that life evolved from non-life.
That is not evolution. Do we need to explain this to you?
Idiots everywhere bring this up and just demonstrate that they don't understand the difference between evolution and abiogenesis.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:27 am to CptBengal
quote:
You want OBSERVABLE evolution?
Fine. The flu, bacteria, and viruses
This. We see it all the time. Antibiotic resistance in bacteria is constantly happening as these bacteria evolve.
quote:
We observe it all the time.
The problem is you need to look at the concept of generations, not a lifetime.
Since our generations down thousands of years, better to look at something like a bacteria that goes through that same process in a month.
Again this.
quote:
Good I hate the religious morons who misapply scientific concepts in some idiotic gotcha attempt.
I could not agree more with you.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:35 am to ApexTiger
Reading just the first paragraph from the "About" section told me what I needed to know about the quality of this argument:
quote:
Published on Dec 15, 2013
Comes out, these Atheists, who act all scientific bad-asses all of a sudden when it comes to the discussion of Religion suddenly get dumfounded when you talk to them with a much practical approach!
Obviously, It's easy for any trendy atheist to say, ''We all came from a special DNA, which evolved through time and stuff like that...''
but when they're asked for a few observatory evidences they are totally left speechless!
Let's get real, 99.9% of Atheists don't know a mint about fossils or DNA, except what they've heard from their prophets such as dawkins or darwin!
That's right!
Richard Dawkins and Charles Darwin are treated as a bunch of prophets in the atheist world.
What they actually did?
Proposed an Idea...
Idea of Evolution...
Do we have any example of evolution in front of our eyes?
umm... NO!!!
So, Is it a blind belief!
At first, an atheist would tell you.. he's got alot of examples and evidence...but when you get deep with him, he'll actually admit to you, it's nothing but a belief!
Why do they fall into such stuff?
Maybe, because they think it's the trend...so it's not bad!
Atheists are the most active, in spreading criticism towards religious groups, but in fact the people who actually choose to be Atheists are mostly people with low self esteem who are too lazy to actually try to get answers to their questions!
Obviously, when you talk to them, their speech would be like that they actually saw how they were apes before this!
But when you start talking real stuff with a practical approach, they become as dumfounded as anything!
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:45 am to ApexTiger
I think it's almost worth it to not even waste time with this anymore.
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